Broncos run D; Smoke and mirriors?

[UpstatePanther]

1 minute ago, tarheels said:

theres a period there. I  was referring to the stat alone about his passing,not his rushing yards.

I'm sorry for not defining that as clearly..

Period or not, you went from one [faulty] train of thought about Teddy somehow being a better pocket QB becsuse he doesnt have the same rushing stats as Cam, to saying "this tell me that Cam is not as good a passer."

There's nothing to define. You said something stupid, and now that people are calling you out, you won't just own up and see yourself out. Please dude, don't make me break out stats too. I'm sick AF at the moment and I will blast your ass if this keeps going

[heelinfine]

8 minutes ago, tarheels said:

i didnt do that in any way. I just wrote both stats in and of themselves.

I didnt say his running had anything to do with his passing. You somehow created that in your thoughts.

 I said he's a running QB and not a proficient passer. Thats two separate things.

he will be this years early version of Elway or Marino. A great player the team relies too much on that doesnt help in the big game

What makes you think that he will not help in the big game? How can you make such an emphatic statement that is nothing but baseless conjecture, 

[Alliesend]

7 minutes ago, tarheels said:

i didnt do that in any way. I just wrote both stats in and of themselves.

I didnt say his running had anything to do with his passing. You somehow created that in your thoughts.

 I said he's a running QB and not a proficient passer. Thats two separate things.

he will be this years early version of Elway or Marino. A great player the team relies too much on that doesnt help in the big game

You can't compare Elway and Marino to Cam Newton as they are not only different style quarterbacks. (hell you can't even compare bridgewater and Newton because they both have different playstyles along with strengths and weaknesses.

That and Carolina has the #1 ranked scoring offense along with the 6th ranked defense. How are we relying too much on Cam Newton when Stewart is the strength of our running game and our defense has the most turnovers in the NFL. Cam is an essential part of our offense but unlike Miami and Denver in the 80s Cam doesn't have to do it all. Denver may have the #1 defense in the NFL but Carolina is strong on both sides of the ball. Denver has a 25th ranked offense against a 6th ranked turnover happy defense. That and Peyton Manning is the biggest choke artist in the NFL.

[tarheels]

7 minutes ago, UpstatePanther said:

Period or not, you went from one [faulty] train of thought about Teddy somehow being a better pocket QB becsuse he doesnt have the same rushing stats as Cam, to saying "this tell me that Cam is not as good a passer."

There's nothing to define. You said something stupid, and now that people are calling you out, you won't just own up and see yourself out. Please dude, don't make me break out stats too. I'm sick AF at the moment and I will blast your ass if this keeps going

dwell on it all day dude. I know what i meant and either way Cam is not prepared for whats about to happen.

All his regular season stats are meaningless just like they were for

Mcnabb-Eagles

Kelly- Bills

Jake Delhomme- Panthers

Warner- Rams- vs Pats

Marino- Dolphins

Ferragamo- Rams

 

[NanuqoftheNorth]

9 minutes ago, tarheels said:

dwell on it all day dude. I know what i meant and either way Cam is not prepared for whats about to happen.

All his regular season stats are meaningless just like they were for

Mcnabb-Eagles

Kelly- Bills

Jake Delhomme- Panthers

Warner- Rams- vs Pats

Marino- Dolphins

Ferragamo- Rams

 

Your opinion is that Cam is not prepared for what is about to happen.

Others here tend to disagree with your opinion.

Wonder if you will have the courage to come back and eat crow when Cam exceeds your expectations of him in two weeks?  Just like Cam has consistently done with countless football "experts" throughout his career.

[UpstatePanther]

Just now, tarheels said:

dwell on it all day dude. I know what i meant and either way Cam is not prepared for whats about to happen.

All his regular season stats are meaningless just like they were for

Mcnabb-Eagles

Kelly- Bills

Jake Delhomme- Panthers

Warner- Rams- vs Pats

Marino- Dolphins

Ferragamo- Rams

 

Are you high? You're referencing points that haven't been made in our conversation. Cam isn't ready for what exactly?

As for our Cam passing proficiency convo. Here you go:

QB1:

296/495 for a 59.8%

3837 total passing yards and 35 passing TDs and only 10 INTs and 33 sacks.

239ypg on 31 attempts per game, with a 7.8 yard per pass average.

Total 99.4 QBR.

QB2:

292/447 for a 65.3%

3231 total passing yards and 14 TDs, 9 INTs and 44 sacks.

202ypg on 28 attempts per game, with a 7.2 yard per pass average.

Total 88.7 QBR

 

Go ahead guess who is who...

[heelinfine]

13 minutes ago, tarheels said:

dwell on it all day dude. I know what i meant and either way Cam is not prepared for whats about to happen.

All his regular season stats are meaningless just like they were for

Mcnabb-Eagles

Kelly- Bills

Jake Delhomme- Panthers

Warner- Rams- vs Pats

Marino- Dolphins

Ferragamo- Rams

 

Whatever dude. We've heard the same things all season about Cam and the Panthers. Different fanbase,  different week, same old song and dance. "Just wait this will be the week Carolina will be put in their place" ......and every week it was the opposition that was not prepared for what was about to happen. lol

Just out of curiosity,  what's about to happen that Cams not prepared for?

[tarheels]

1 minute ago, UpstatePanther said:

Are you high? You're referencing points that haven't been made in our conversation. Cam isn't ready for what exactly?

As for our Cam passing proficiency convo. Here you go:

QB1:

296/495 for a 59.8%

3837 total passing yards and 35 passing TDs and only 10 INTs and 33 sacks.

239ypg on 31 attempts per game, with a 7.8 yard per pass average.

Total 99.4 QBR.

QB2:

292/447 for a 65.3%

3231 total passing yards and 14 TDs, 9 INTs and 44 sacks.

202ypg on 28 attempts per game, with a 7.2 yard per pass average.

Total 88.7 QBR

 

Go ahead guess who is who...

you can quote stats all day. If you actually watch the nfl year after year and recent history,you know stats are meaningless two weeks after season. Dilfer won a SB. Manning was a passing freak that broke every record and then lost a SB.

when the only true weapon you have is one player even when its the QB,you will end up on the losing side when it matters most a majority of the time.

since SB 41, only 2 teams have won who were the favorites...maybe 3 but I'm not sure about GB VS Pitt

 

 

[d-dave]

2 hours ago, tarheels said:

that would be a waste of time. They are all paid to pump positive about all the players and spin it so they all are the greatest ever.

an opinion you dont like does not qualify as trolling.

did it ever occur to you that you only choose to hear the positive about your favorite team and you buy all the propaganda

that ignores rival or comparative stats?

 

So media bias is why Cam Newton is the MVP?

I have no problems with different opinions. But looking at selective stats as the basis for you argument is a hallmark of weak trolling.

How many 4th quarter, game winning drives does Bridgewater have?  How well did he do versus the blitz? When his team needed him, did he make the plays? How much of his offense did he have to carry?  How many games did his team win?

What you call propaganda are responses subjective observations based on the play most of us have witnessed this season. 

You have equally bought into different propaganda. 

The reality is that Cam helps to elivate his team through his play, Teddy does not. Given the early exit of the Vikings, it is very fair to say the Panthers present a difficult test for any team, even the Broncos.

 

[tarheels]

1 minute ago, d-dave said:

So media bias is why Cam Newton is the MVP?

I have no problems with different opinions. But looking at selective stats as the basis for you argument is a hallmark of weak trolling.

How many 4th quarter, game winning drives does Bridgewater have?  How well did he do versus the blitz? When his team needed him, did he make the plays? How much of his offense did he have to carry?  How many games did his team win?

What you call propaganda are responses subjective observations based on the play most of us have witnessed this season. 

You have equally bought into different propaganda. 

The reality is that Cam helps to elivate his team through his play, Teddy does not. Given the early exit of the Vikings, it is very fair to say the Panthers present a difficult test for any team, even the Broncos.

 

 all stats are selective,thats why they are stats.

quoting a stat and having an opinion you dont like about it has nothing to do with trolling.

I havent bought into any propaganda. I just know from watching football for 35 years who the actual weaker team is.

 

 

[SZ James (banned)]

Concern trolling in 2016 

[UpstatePanther]

28 minutes ago, tarheels said:

you can quote stats all day. If you actually watch the nfl year after year and recent history,you know stats are meaningless two weeks after season. Dilfer won a SB. Manning was a passing freak that broke every record and then lost a SB.

when the only true weapon you have is one player even when its the QB,you will end up on the losing side when it matters most a majority of the time.

since SB 41, only 2 teams have won who were the favorites...maybe 3 but I'm not sure about GB VS Pitt

 

 

You are the one that began by quoting stats mutherfuger. I simply corrected your faulty logic. With that last comment about the Panthers having no weapons outside of Cam, I can see that you aren't the "general football fan" you claim to be. If you were, then you might actually... idk... watch games. And if you actually watched games, you'd know better than to say that the only weapon the Panthers have is Cam. 

 

You are an idiot. And I refuse to argue with idiots. Bye felicia.

[Alliesend]

29 minutes ago, tarheels said:

4 minutes ago, tarheels said:

 all stats are selective,thats why they are stats.

quoting a stat and having an opinion you dont like about it has nothing to do with trolling.

I havent bought into any propaganda. I just know from watching football for 35 years who the actual weaker team is.

 

 

you can quote stats all day. If you actually watch the nfl year after year and recent history,you know stats are meaningless two weeks after season. Dilfer won a SB. Manning was a passing freak that broke every record and then lost a SB.

when the only true weapon you have is one player even when its the QB,you will end up on the losing side when it matters most a majority of the time.

since SB 41, only 2 teams have won who were the favorites...maybe 3 but I'm not sure about GB VS Pitt

 

 

weren't you quoting stats throughout this thread? You even quote a stat in your own post? Cam Newton is not the only weapon Carolina has. Cam Newton, Jonathan Stewart, Greg Olsen, Trai Turner, Ryan Kalil, Luke Kuechly, Thomas Davis, Josh Norman, Mike Tolbert, Kawann Short, Starlite Lotulelei, Kony Ealy, Kurt Coleman, Shaq Thompson. We are a stacked and balanced team. Dilfer was on an otherworldly defense and Manning chokes in the super bowl hard.

You were comparing stats between Cam Newton and Teddy Bridgewater the page before and now you are talking about statistics mean nothing. I don't even think Hillary Clinton flip flops harder then you do. You will see the weaker team in 2 weeks. The Carolinas WILL hold the Lombardi trophy. Denver's defense cannot overcome Carolinas top offense and dominating defense.

 

 

[GRWatcher]

4 hours ago, tarheels said:

both teams rely on a run game and defense = the same thing.

one team rely's on more running from the QB=Panthers

one team relys on more running from running-back=Vikings

 

Bridgewater-comp 292 attempts 447,rushing 192

Cam-comp.296,attempts 495, rushing 636

its obvious Bridgewater doesnt rush as much but its still more than a pocket QB.

this tells me Cam is not that good a Passer.

this tells me it was a good thing that they had 6 games in the weak nfc South.

 

Give us the link.