Broncos run D; Smoke and mirriors?

[Wolfpredator]

4 minutes ago, SamMills4Life said:

I'm positive that tarheels is just a troll account. Stop feeding him. Nobody is that dumb.

This.  Guy is nothing but a clown Denver fan.

[jayflip]

15 minutes ago, tarheels said:

no, i'm just saying its similar and nothing ground breaking.

I am saying the Panthers are the weaker side because they have no post season experience team wide like Denver does.

everyone thought the healthy Pats were supposed to clown Denver as well.

No post season experience at all. 

insertjenniferlawrenceOKgifhere.derp

[tarheels]

2 hours ago, UpstatePanther said:

LOL @ Teddy Bridgewater being basically like Cam

both teams rely on a run game and defense = the same thing.

one team rely's on more running from the QB=Panthers

one team relys on more running from running-back=Vikings

 

Bridgewater-comp 292 attempts 447,rushing 192

Cam-comp.296,attempts 495, rushing 636

its obvious Bridgewater doesnt rush as much but its still more than a pocket QB.

this tells me Cam is not that good a Passer.

this tells me it was a good thing that they had 6 games in the weak nfc South.

 

[tarheels]

17 minutes ago, BrownianMotion said:

Healthy Pats?

Pats had 18 players on IR, including 6 starters. Two of those were quality offensive linemen who helped them win a SB last year. Another was Dion Lewis who was probably the most dynamic player in the league before he went down. Edelman wasn't 100% either.

mentioning players that were IR long before playoffs has nothing to do with it...unless you mean the bogus report of minor injuries before game-time

Edelman and Gronk were on the field and the strength of that team.

 I dont disagree with you, I did pick Denver to win based on those things....and the 2-4 finish and losing to a Denver back up QB

The point is they were still a stronger more formidable opponent team wide.

 

[heelinfine]

12 minutes ago, tarheels said:

both teams rely on a run game and defense = the same thing.

one team rely's on more running from the QB=Panthers

one team relys on more running from running-back=Vikings

 

Bridgewater-comp 292 attempts 447,rushing 192

Cam-comp.296,attempts 495, rushing 636

its obvious Bridgewater doesnt rush as much but its still more than a pocket QB.

this tells me Cam is not that good a Passer.

this tells me it was a good thing that they had 6 games in the weak nfc South.

 

What about this tells you that Cam is not a good passer?

[tarheels]

3 minutes ago, heelinfine said:

What about this tells you that Cam is not a good passer?

he obviously failed 50 more times than Bridgewater only completing the same amount of passes.

Cam is ranked 16th while Bridgewater is 22nd. Neither is that good individually as a passer.

Cam is obviously not that accurate.

 

[Castavar]

11 minutes ago, tarheels said:

he obviously failed 50 more times than Bridgewater only completing the same amount of passes.

Cam is ranked 16th while Bridgewater is 22nd. Neither is that good individually as a passer.

Cam is obviously not that accurate.

 

Holy fuggin sh*t you are a sh*t poster and know nothing about football.

Completion % is an overrated stat that needs to be looked at in context, and it's far from the optimal way to judge accuracy. How many of those throws are throwaways? How many of those are receivers not getting open? How many of those are batted balls? How many of those are drops? How many of those are actual inaccurate throws? There's been plenty of QB's with great completion %'s whose teams never scored. Guys who dump it off on 3rd & 12 instead of throwing a tightly covered deep out, etc.

Cam plays in an old school, drop back, downfield passing offense. They use a lot of 3 man routes with extra blockers, he's constantly throwing deep outs, deep ins, posts, 9 routes, etc. I could care less about his completion %, he makes huge, chunk yardage throws, and is devastating on 3rd & short with his running.

Turn on a damn game and you will see Cam make passes that only like 3 QB's can make. Cam has SCORCHED two of the top 5 defenses in back to back weeks and have completed 70% of his passes. Stop fuggin trolling.

[d-dave]

10 minutes ago, tarheels said:

he obviously failed 50 more times than Bridgewater only completing the same amount of passes.

Cam is ranked 16th while Bridgewater is 22nd. Neither is that good individually as a passer.

Cam is obviously not that accurate.

 

Is this fun for you?  I appreciate the effort you take in writing you opinions, which I consider lame trolling.

Ask anyone in the nfl reporting circle about a Cam vs. Bridgewater comparison.  

That would be pretty good comedy!

[tarheels]

1 minute ago, Castavar said:

Holy fuggin sh*t you are a sh*t poster and know nothing about football.

Completion % is an overrated stat that needs to be looked at in context, and it's far from the optimal way to judge accuracy. There's been plenty of QB's with great completion %'s whose teams never scored. Guys who dump it off on 3rd & 12 instead of throwing a tightly covered deep out, etc.

Cam plays in an old school, drop back, downfield passing offense. They use a lot of 3 man routes with extra blockers, he's constantly throwing deep outs, deep ins, posts, 9 routes, etc. I could care less about his completion %, he makes huge, chunk yardage throws, and is devastating on 3rd & short with his running.

Turn on a damn game and you will see Cam make passes that only like 3 QB's can make. Cam has SCORCHED two of the top 5 defenses in back to back weeks and have completed 70% of his passes. Stop fuggin trolling.

 

the only reason they won against better defenses is because those teams had weak Offenses as well.
 

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Holy fuggin sh*t you are a sh*t poster and know nothing about football.

 

of course if I said this it would be an infraction.

no, I'm an educated adult who knows that numbers are good indicator of quality and Cam does not connect as proficiently as others and that will work against him facing a team with 2 weeks to prepare who is leaps and bounds superior to teams like the Bucs, Falcons,Saints.

 

[lightsout]

@Castavar makes a good point on completion %.

Look at Brady, Rodgers, et al and their typical game plan. Slants, button hooks, and other short, quick passes are the majority of their throws with only a small handful of downfield throws all game (I've seen games where Brady throws the ball deep maybe twice all game).

Their completion percentages are very high. They look much more accurate because of this. However, they're playing small ball. Very low risk throws where just about any receiver can catch the ball.

Cam throws deep outs, posts, and corner routes more than anything. He also throws 3-5 go-routes each game. He's throwing the ball much deeper at a higher rate. Screw numbers, watch the games. Cam is as accurate as anybody if he is given time like he's had this season. Drops, throwaways, tipped passes, etc. are the primary reason his "accuracy" seems low. Every QB has that, but when the majority of your passing attack is throwing the ball downfield and not dinking and dunking on throws 1-10 yards, your completion % is gonna be lower.


On topic, Denver has not seen the misdirection and multifaceted attack that we bring. They have no idea about what they're going to be seeing. They can watch the film, but we're going to do other things to open up the run. We'll run some stuff that they can stop, but only to bait them for something off of that later. It's what we do. We have a very, very risky offense, honestly. If we don't execute well, we'll look kinda average. Luckily, we're coached up beyond belief, so there is no worry from me.

I'm thinking Denver tries a similar approach they took last game in 2012. Cam is much improved, the OL is much improved, and the defense is much improved. I hope they try to bring that pressure again, because Cam will eat them up.

[heelinfine]

9 minutes ago, tarheels said:

 

the only reason they won against better defenses is because those teams had weak Offenses as well.
 

of course if I said this it would be an infraction.

no, I'm an educated adult who knows that numbers are good indicator of quality and Cam does not connect as proficiently as others and that will work against him facing a team with 2 weeks to prepare who is leaps and bounds superior to teams like the Bucs, Falcons,Saints.

 

Man you must really enjoy making yourself look ignorant.  How many Panther games have you actually watched this season? 

Cams a great pocket passer and getting better and better. There is not a throw that Newton can't make and has the biggest armvin the league. 

[tarheels]

13 minutes ago, d-dave said:

Is this fun for you?  I appreciate the effort you take in writing you opinions, which I consider lame trolling.

Ask anyone in the nfl reporting circle about a Cam vs. Bridgewater comparison.  

That would be pretty good comedy!

that would be a waste of time. They are all paid to pump positive about all the players and spin it so they all are the greatest ever.

an opinion you dont like does not qualify as trolling.

did it ever occur to you that you only choose to hear the positive about your favorite team and you buy all the propaganda

that ignores rival or comparative stats?

 

[jim stone]

This is going to be a blowout of record for the SB.  Panthers have been holding back.   There is going to be a unleashing like we've never seen. Give up the 4 or 4.5.  I wish where I could put down a hundred.  No juice.  I want a 2 bills back. 

[NanuqoftheNorth]

Can't pick the other teams in your division anymore than you can pick your family.

San Francisco 49ers made a pretty good living off playing in a historically weak NFC West.

Didn't seem to stop them from creating a dynasty winning multiple Super Bowls along the way.

What the Panthers have accomplished in the playoffs is not only more recent, but also more reliable when it comes to gauging their strength against the premier teams in the league.

Based on that information the Broncos have every reason to be concerned about deja vu all over again when it comes to the Super Bowl.