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Potential Hall of Famers currently on the roster


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1. Cam Newton - Easily the best mobile QB ever save for Steve Young whos rushing records he has already shattered. A few more 30+ passing TD seasons to go along with a Superbowl or 2 and he is probably a lock. 

2. Luke Kuechly- Will be in the running for best linebacker ever if he can stay healthy  (no indication that he won't ). An absolute monster who will be leading the defense for the next decade. 

3. Greg Olsen - Probably needs another 7, 8 years of awesome play to be considered when it's all said and done (Jason Witten )

4- Josh Norman - Same as Olsen, although he may have an even tougher time considering he isn't a physical specimen like say Richard Sherman. Just a smart resourceful CB. Doesn't help that he is already in his late 20s

5- Kawaan Short - Realllly early but his career looks promising

6- Ron Rivera - Considering we have a real shot at becoming a dynasty Rivera will be in Belicheat territory 10 years from now. If we win 2 or 3 rings he'll be a lock.

7 - Thomas Davis - Ive heard rumors that next year might be his last, so I don't know if TD has been enough statistically to make it, but 3 ACL injuries...enough said. A ring would help his case, but at the very least his statue will be outside BOA.

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Jared Allen should probably be #1 on the list. Luke and Cam need at least 5 more years of high level play to even be in consideration. Not saying they won't do that but there are a lot of variables in there. Allen probably gets in with his resume right now and almost certainly if he adds a Super Bowl win to it.

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Cam should be, but he has a few more years to keep doing what he's doing to become a first ballot kind of guy. Bad injury or burnout in the next year could see him a long ways away from Canton.

Luke, yes, if he can put five more years of this together. LBs need long careers with gaudy stats. We've had Morgan and Beason before who were outstanding in their days, but laid low by injuries, they won't see Canton except as visitors. 

Olsen will be judged against Tony Gonzalez (greatest of the modern age) and Gronkowski (who, love or hate him, has been dominant as the attention getter). Smart money would be a second ballot Hall of Famer once he retires, depending on who else retires at the same time. (This is a big deal and caused Deon Sanders to come back and play for the Ravens after his retirement -- Deon Sanders was worried about his chances on the first ballot -- that's how tough this is).

Norman -- this is wayyyy early, way too early. He's had one great year so far, but statistically his number of INTs don't make him standout purely by statistics. He's going to have to keep up his level of shutdown corner for years (four or five) and grab some more INTs before the voters will get behind him. Otherwise, it will fall on the shoulders of a nominator to argue his case and then stuff becomes a bit dicey. Cornerbacks have a hard time in the Hall because the best ones stop getting interceptions as QBs just throw away from them.

Short... not yet man, not yet. Few more years injury free and just a disruptive and maybe. Big names as DTs ahead of him and if they go in (Wilfork, Suh, Ngata, Watts, Raji) he might get slighted as they strive to not be dominated in nominations for one position.

Rivera -- not as a player, but as a coach. Yes, someday if he can keep this up. The great coaches always start with a nothing team and make them into something great. He has the respect of players, coaches and sports writers alike. That gets you into the Hall.

Davis, Sr. -- Right now, I would say he is our only lock. He is a throwback type of player and his story is too, too good to deny for the Hall. Sportswriters (who make up the Hall selectors) love this guy, how he plays and often talk about how it has been a travesty he hasn't been to more Pro Bowls. They will work hard to even the scales and make him a player for the ages. That Walter Payton Man of the Year award won't hurt one bit, either.

Honestly, though, the Panthers players most likely to go into the Hall next will be Greene, Mills, Peppers and Smith. 

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I don't think you guys understand how hard getting into the Hall of Fame is.

This coming from a huge TD fan who thinks it would be a disgrace if he isn't inducted into our Hall of Honor when he retires: Thomas Davis has no chance in hell at making the Hall of Fame.

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47 minutes ago, Manos said:

Allen is a potential hall of famer and while Peanut won't get any consideration he really should. His ability to force turnovers was unprecedented and I don't know if any player will ever copy what he did. 

I agree with this even though they just popped onto the Panther's lineup at the end of their careers, they are both a big part of why the panthers are in the SB (especially Peanut). Also, Roman Harper may have declined since his prime, but he has a couple of pro-bowls and will soon have a second Superbowl ring. 

Ultimately, Jared has the best chance of these veterans of making it to the HoF.

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2 minutes ago, Mage said:

I don't think you guys understand how hard getting into the Hall of Fame is.

This coming from a huge TD fan who thinks it would be a disgrace if he isn't inducted into our Hall of Honor when he retires: Thomas Davis has no chance in hell at making the Hall of Fame.

Accurate. Davis wouldn't even make a semi-finalists list. He has no shot. He's a great story but he missed too much time and doesn't have nearly enough accolades or stats to make it.

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Jared Allen will be a Hall of Famer.

Barring injury, I would be SHOCKED if Luke Kuechly didn't make the Hall of Fame.

I think Cam Newton will be a Hall of Famer.  I wouldn't necessarily be (as) shocked if he didn't (not as much as I would be with Kuechly, who is the best middle linebacker the league has seen since prime Ray Lewis), but I think he will.  If we win the Super Bowl, Cam Newton will become a SUPERSTAR for the NFL.

Then I guess Ryan Kalil has a glimmer of hope.  5x Pro Bowler and 2x First-Team All-Pro and is only 30 years old so he could have about 3-4 years left of top-tier play in him, but like I said the Pro Football Hall of Fame is really hard to get into.  I definitely wouldn't bank on it, his chances are slim.  But it's possible.

Greg Olsen doesn't have a chance either unless he has one heck of a finish to his career.  

Far too early to speculate on other guys like Turner, Short, etc.

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