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Remember that time people here called to fire RR?

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I was one of them.  And I remember arguing that it was almost unheard of for a coach to be successful when his first two seasons were losing ones--with all kinds of statistics on my side I'll add.

@panther55 was one of the chuckleheads who kept disagreeing with me and pointing to Bellichik as an example of someone who succeeded.  And this year it turns out he was right about Shula too.  Credit where its due...

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Fwiw, being a good coach is a matter of having some luck, getting the right front office/right talent, knowing how to motivate, learning from mistakes, and knowing X's and O's.  Ron has always known the X's and O's, and how to motivate.  He has learned from his mistakes, and the front office has gotten the right people, and hit on enough draft choices to put us in this position.   

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41 minutes ago, panthers34 said:

This is why you don't jump the gun on firing people just for the sake of change. The Browns are a classic example of this and that is why they are continuously bad every year.

Exactly.  I think it's easy to forget that there's a big learning curve to become a good HC, even for guys who had already proven themselves to be very good coordinators and position coaches.  If you can't give a guy at least 3 seasons you're just shooting yourself in the foot.  Look at Tampa Bay and that revolving door of head coaches they've had since Gruden.

Those teams that are perennial failures are the ones always chasing the big name recognition, be it free agents or coaching candidates.  They seem to be stuck in a rut of doing this every few years, when they would be a lot better off developing talent in guys without the name recognition, but who are still on their way up looking to reach that next level.

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I will sadly admit that I was one of these people.  I went as far as to join the Facebook Group called Fire Ron Rivera.  Looking back at the time, I think it was slightly justified.  We all had to endure the last season of Fox....followed up by a decent rookie year of Cam and then Ultra Conservative Ron...Poor Clock management, among other sucky things.  I think at that point...I was just fed up with losing and felt like we needed another change.  I will say that I did not jump onto that boat until right at the point where it seemed like he was turning things around......couldn't have been more wrong about RR at that point.   

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I remember it well, and there were good reasons for the hot seat. Having said that, he has driven a culture change here that was desperately needed. I'm glad there was patience... This franchise may just reap the rewards and be called a dynasty 

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4 hours ago, KSpan said:

To be honest, it's not like calling for his firing was all that undeserved. The start of the 2013 season was pretty abysmal and the heart of 2014 wasn't all that inspiring either. That said, Ron has taken his lumps and is really becoming an elite coach.

The point is that you have to give coaches at least three years, or you're the Cleveland Browns. You're not the Cleveland Browns...are you?

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18 minutes ago, CoastalCat said:

The point is that you have to give coaches at least three years, or you're the Cleveland Browns. You're not the Cleveland Browns...are you?

Says who? I get your point, but there's a difference between being the Browns and realizing that a guy is a poor hire and cutting your losses.

 

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