Could Raiders stuck in Oakland mean MLB to NC?

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15 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Btw,  I would love to have MLB here in the Carolinas,  I just think that it's still a long way off.  And I don't believe that the powers that be here have enough of a will or machine to put something in play for a team like the As,  nor do I think that MLB is without a sizeable amount of skepticism as it pertains the viability of a team around these parts. 

The fact that the word Charlotte specifically came out of Rob Manfred's mouth says something-I don't know what, but something.

You are right that the political climate, specific politicians, ownership, and luck (or lack thereof depending on what side you're on), all must line up, but the A's and Rays can't go on with their stadium situations forever.

And, despite baseball's "dying" reputation, watching so many MLB cities themselves decay truthfully will (if it didn't already with the Knights Stadium) change Charlotte's reason for not having MLB from "can't", to "don't want to".

[Omega Atrocity]

I decided when I heard the rumors that if we got a team I would support it since I hardly watch baseball. 

[Zaximus]

1 hour ago, KendrickPanther said:

I don't think baseball would thrive here. Baseball is a dying game for old men. I have no idea how it remains profitable. The TV deals are massive and the ratings are horrible. The stadiums are empty for the vast majority of games. Young people in NC as a whole are less likely to support a Baseball team. Older men already have allegiances to the Braves or their transplant market. 

I would not support any municipal funds or tax exemptions to get a Baseball team in Charlotte. Raleigh might do well with a team to be honest. The Bobcats were a hard sell to fans. The Hornets are doing better but unless they win consistently it will never come close to the mid 90s fanbase. 

The thing about Baseball is very few franchises find success without spending money. Half the teams are out of the playoffs before the first pitch is thrown. I don't think there is a market for below average sports franchises in this town. The Panthers, Bobcats, and Hornets have all seen a massive decline in interest when they aren't contending. 

 

MLS might be more appealing. It would require less money from the City and cater to different demographics. 

This couldn't be more wrong.

No baseball is not dying, maybe you don't like it, but it's vastly popular outside of the Carolinas and around the country.   Some teams can't fill stadiums, but most do.

Also, baseball has more cinderella playoff teams than any sport.   You have more of a chance of going the distance in the MLB than NFL by far.   Just because some teams spend all their money on players, doesn't mean they find success.  In fact, the teams that are winning are build around a good team and no superstar or farm players they developed.  The Giants are an example.   The Royals have found success, the Cubs are doing great now with mostly a grown team, the A's and Twins are always contenders and never spend.  The Marlins will put together great teams after 4-5 years of farm.  The Pirates the last few years are home grown.    Anyone that knows anything about baseball knows that to win and be a dynasty you have to grow talent from the farm system and fill in the gaps with vets, and not always high dollar ones.   If you look at last season, only a few teams were completely out of playoff contention before the last monthish.  

The NBA however, is the most skewed in terms of finding success.  You almost have to draft a star player to compete, amongst other things.    I think an MLB team would do better than the Hornets here.   

[cbarrier90]

13 minutes ago, ctrcat said:

The fact that the word Charlotte specifically came out of Rob Manfred's mouth says something-I don't know what, but something.

You are right that the political climate, specific politicians, ownership, and luck (or lack thereof depending on what side you're on), all must line up, but the A's and Rays can't go on with their stadium situations forever.

And, despite baseball's "dying" reputation, watching so many MLB cities themselves decay truthfully will (if it didn't already with the Knights Stadium) change Charlotte's reason for not having MLB go from "can't", to "don't want to".

Charlotte always gets thrown out there because the list of major cities without an MLB team is very small. It's like the Seattle of the NBA.

It took forever for Charlotte to finally get the Knights out of Fort Mill, and they've got a great thing going in the summer Uptown. That doesn't necessarily mean jumping to MLB would be feasible. Sure, Charlotte can accommodate 15K for 41 nights in basketball, but could they accomodate 30k for 81 nights for baseball?

Montreal at least has held Blue Jays pre-season exhibition games to sold out crowds and has a stadium in place to accommodate a team temporarily whole a new one is built. To my knowledge they're the only market not in MLB that has done this (unless you want to count Puerto Rico.)

[jumpman910]

I would support them if we had a baseball team, but at the end of the day I can't see any reason for us to get a baseball team lol

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19 minutes ago, cbarrier90 said:

Charlotte always gets thrown out there because the list of major cities without an MLB team is very small. It's like the Seattle of the NBA.

It took forever for Charlotte to finally get the Knights out of Fort Mill, and they've got a great thing going in the summer Uptown. That doesn't necessarily mean jumping to MLB would be feasible. Sure, Charlotte can accommodate 15K for 41 nights in basketball, but could they accomodate 30k for 81 nights for baseball?

Montreal at least has held Blue Jays pre-season exhibition games to sold out crowds and has a stadium in place to accommodate a team temporarily whole a new one is built. To my knowledge they're the only market in MLB that has done this (unless you want to count Puerto Rico.)

Misnomer that any city needs to have 30k 81 times.  The Yankees don't even do it.

It only took so long with the Knights because one man was fighting for MLB NOW

Having 15 million people on a "Carolinas" TV deal makes sense when Minnesota and Colorado only have 5 million in their states.  

It would piss some people off and there are absurd and antiquated "territorial rights" hurdles that must be overcome as well, but it should and must be done eventually.

[jumpman910]

It's not that baseball isn't thriving its that its dying in certain communities. NC will ALWAYS be a basketball state whether its professional or college. The team would get more support than the Hurricanes but after that I'm not sure. If anything they need to go the soccer route honestly and leave baseball where its at.

[Montsta]

The A's released a statement yesterday that the Raiders situation doesn't in any way affect their pursuit for a permanent stadium in Oakland. At least the A's are trying. Mark Davis checked the Raiders out the day he got the team. 

But then Lew Wolffe is a lying piece of poo. So if you hear of him buying any land in a shitty part of the Charlotte metro area, it's pretty much a lock they move.

That being said, if two out of my three teams are in Charlotte I'm moving and hopefully my wife wants to come with me. 

[Snake]

1 hour ago, CCS said:

The arguement against MLB in Charlotte is the same argument that people had against the Panthers long ago. I hope it happens so I can finally have a team to root for.

Except baseball is super boring compared to Football.  Don't get me wrong it's fun to play but watching it is so oooo boring. I think a Pro Hockey team would do better IMO. 

[Car123]

Rather have MLS.

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2 minutes ago, Car123 said:

Rather have MLS.

Denver has all 5 sports and has 3 million less people within a 100 mile radius of its center city than CLT.

[The_Cannon]

2 hours ago, JJman Returns said:

Ehh. SC is a pretty big baseball state but most people are already long time Braves, Yankee, Philly or Cubs fans. I'm not sure how much support a NC baseball team would get from South Carolina. 

 

You could say the same with football 20 years ago most people in the Carolinas were long time Redskins, Cowboys, Falcons fans.  

[TheRumGone]

Make this happen!!!

[CatMan72]

I'm happy with the Knights and their ticket prices, so no thanks... 

Charlotte has it just right IMO, major league football and basketball - quality minor league baseball and hockey.