Why Not Matt Moore

[holderoftruth]

Listen you keep making arguments to support Jake with even less real substance to your side of the argument. Your basically saying that a guy that is a turnover machine and is losing this teams respect should be our starter just because he still is the starter. We had Foster playing ahead of one of the best backs in the league because of Fox's ridiculous notion that he was more talented (more so in pass pro then running).

How do you know that Moore can't start in this league? We have never given him the chance since his rookie year (when he was a Rookie of the Month winner). I know what Jake brings, inconsistency, if Matt comes in and can't handle it at least we know that.

I agree with you that Matt Moore should be given a chance. The only question I have about Matt Moore is: What haven’t you taken over the #2 QB spot? If Matt Moore is our future why is he our number 3 guy? Why is A.J. Feely being rushed in to take the number 2 spot? I am not questioning you, because we both believe Moore should be given a chance, but something else must be going on. Either the coaches don’t see him as a solid starter, or Moore is in Fox’s doghouse. Whatever the reason, it just concerns me why he can’t beat out McCown for the number 2 spot.

[panthers55]

Listen you keep making arguments to support Jake with even less real substance to your side of the argument. Your basically saying that a guy that is a turnover machine and is losing this teams respect should be our starter just because he still is the starter. We had Foster playing ahead of one of the best backs in the league because of Fox's ridiculous notion that he was more talented (more so in pass pro then running).

How do you know that Moore can't start in this league? We have never given him the chance since his rookie year (when he was a Rookie of the Month winner). I know what Jake brings, inconsistency, if Matt comes in and can't handle it at least we know that.

Jake with all his flaws is still a much better quarterback than Moore at this point. Jake's problems are in his head and I think he will figure them out. Moore issues are still lack of experience which will take time to work out and won't be settled easily.

As for Foster the issue wasn't he was more talented. it was that Williams was soft and couldn't pass block. Williams didn't come into his own until he listened to Vinny and developed a better work ethic, decided he wanted to really be the starter and practiced his pass protections. In our system if you can't block you won't play.

Didn't we have these same arguments with Weinke several years ago? The guys who see him all day every day including a brand new quarterback coach (not Fox) don't believe he is the answer. Why do you think you know better??

[jramsey4]

Jake with all his flaws is still a much better quarterback than Moore at this point. Jake's problems are in his head and I think he will figure them out. Moore issues are still lack of expereince which will take time to work out and won't be settled easily.

As for Foster the issue wasn't he was more talented. it was that Williams was soft and couldn't pass block. Williams didn't come into his own until he listened to Vinny and developed a better work ethic, decided he wanted to really be the starter and practiced his pass protections. In our system if you can't block you won't play.

Didn't we have these same arguments with Weinke several years ago? The guys who see him all day every day including a brand new quarterback coach (not Fox) don't believe he is the answer. Why do you think you know better??

He might not be the answer but I want to see him get a shot. I know I'm beating it to death but we just can not have a QB that can turn the ball over like Jake did last year and so far this year. You have already insulted my football intelligence but it doesn't take a genius to realize you don't win games with your QB TO the ball 5 times a game. Moore doesn't have to put up the TD's or comp % that Jake has shown to be able to do he just has to take care of the ball. If he comes in and does TO the ball then I will shut up until then I won't.

[koolkatluke]

What is funny to me is all these lame arguments to support Moore. Does anyone thing that Fox and Hurney have something against him?

Does anyone think that they wanted to pick him up not to use him and sit him forever?

They would like Moore to deliver and be the answer. It would have been a lot easier to just promote him to starter and wait for 6 weeks for McCown to heal.

They choose to get Feeley because they don't see things to suggest Moore can do the job right now based on working with him for 2 seasons.

Why do they keep him? Because they know he still has potential.

But seriously stop wasting time arguing stupid points about his potential. The guys paid to know don't see it. Feel free e a to try to win a debating contest on this message board but as for will it change anything? Of course not.

Like I said before 55 this is inditment on Fox and his staff then. If this kid is not ready too jump in and be a starter after 3 years in your system and still taking up a roster spot the coaching staff and FO has made a misatke. They should have cut ties this year and Cantwell should be the 3rd QB. My problem is they are treating Moore like he's Cantwell. Like he hasn't been here in your system or won any games for you. They act he has only been here for TC camp and 1 game. If he is not a option by now then why waste the roster spot? Sooner or later you have to be able to see what you have and put the kid in there.

[koolkatluke]

I'm not saying this game. I still think Jake should start but if it looks like he going down in a has blaze Moore should be brought in and given a chance. If Feeley is put in before then this Staff deserves a big Fail. There is no way that a player that has been in your system for 3 years and is younger shouldn't get the nod over a 32 year old wash up. Who has only been here less then a week.

[panthers55]

He might not be the answer but I want to see him get a shot. I know I'm beating it to death but we just can not have a QB that can turn the ball over like Jake did last year and so far this year. You have already insulted my football intelligence but it doesn't take a genius to realize you don't win games with your QB TO the ball 5 times a game. Moore doesn't have to put up the TD's or comp % that Jake has shown to be able to do he just has to take care of the ball. If he comes in and does TO the ball then I will shut up until then I won't.

Moore hasn't shown he can protect the ball either. Didn't he throw a pick on Sunday also. Truth is putting him in means the offense is more limited than it is now. It would be going backwards with a guy who is totally unproven.

So shut up he threw a pick on Sunday.

[X-Clown]

Is it really fair to judge a player's ability based on coming into a game where he's starting off in a 28 point hole when the team knows you're going to have to throw to catchup?

I buy the idea that the coaching staff is not high on him yet, but to point out his preseason stats as a reason that he's not worthy or that he threw one INT in a game where he came into an awful situation without a real threat of the run game is ridiculous.

[panthers55]

I'm not saying this game. I still think Jake should start but if it looks like he going down in a has blaze Moore should be brought in and given a chance. If Feeley is put in before then this Staff deserves a big Fail. There is no way that a player that has been in your system for 3 years and is younger shouldn't get the nod over a 32 year old wash up. Who has only been here less then a week.

Hard to say what a vet will do. Didn't Vinny come in on a Wednesday and lead us to a victory Sunday against Arizona. I figure the guys who are working with the quarterbacks all week will know who is the better option and put in the guy who gives us the best chance. I would love to see Moore play and do great. The fact that he isn't suggests there are issues we don't know about.

The best scenario is that Jake comes out and has a good game on Sunday and we put this to rest for at least a week.

[panthers55]

Is it really fair to judge a player's ability based on coming into a game where he's starting off in a 28 point hole when the team knows you're going to have to throw to catchup?

I buy the idea that the coaching staff is not high on him yet, but to point out his preseason stats as a reason that he's not worthy or that he threw one INT in a game where he came into an awful situation without a real threat of the run game is ridiculous.

Didn't jake come in at halftime down 14 points and go on to win the game in his first start with 3 TDs? Moore should have looked better than he did given he was playing against mostly a prevent defense with backups. On the other hand who exactly did look good?

I am just not willing to concede he is the guy when the coaches don't think he is and nothing shows he is ready to be the starter except in an emergency situation.

As for presason stats, what else would we use? He hasn't played since 2007 and then only 3 games. Since then he has looked very mediocre.

[jramsey4]

Didn't jake come in at halftime down 14 points and go on to win the game in his first start with 3 TDs? Moore should have looked better than he did given he was playing against mostly a prevent defense with backups. On the other hand who exactly did look good?

I am just not willing to concede he is the guy when the coaches don't think he is and nothing shows he is ready to be the starter except in an emergency situation.

As for presason stats, what else would we use? He hasn't played since 2007 and then only 3 games. Since then he has looked very mediocre.

He didn't start playing until way after things got out of hand. When Pete was pulled we still had a chance. So you really cant compare the two. And that philly D didn't slack off the blitz really at all in that game so more still saw plenty of pressure. But he still played a lot better then Jake

[Jaxel]

Down by 14 and down by 28 is a completely different situation. Plus he did lead them to the one, was the o-lines fault they couldnt' get it in on 4 run plays.

[X-Clown]

He didn't start playing until way after things got out of hand. When Pete was pulled we still had a chance. So you really cant compare the two. And that philly D didn't slack off the blitz really at all in that game so more still saw plenty of pressure. But he still played a lot better then Jake

Exactly, he entered the game at the start of the 4th quarter, down 28. That's quite a bit different than a 14 point deficit at halftime.

[koolkatluke]

Didn't jake come in at halftime down 14 points and go on to win the game in his first start with 3 TDs? Moore should have looked better than he did given he was playing against mostly a prevent defense with backups. On the other hand who exactly did look good?

Come on 55 not near the same. Jake had better WR. The Oline was full of vets and the D was way better. Plus we are talking 14 points compared to 28 points when Moore came in. A new d cordinator that the panters had no tape on and Philly has a 10 times better secondary then the Jags had.

I am just not willing to concede he is the guy when the coaches don't think he is and nothing shows he is ready to be the starter except in an emergency situation.

If they don't then why is he taking up a roster spot? After 3 years they should know if they can trust him enough to get a shot before Feeley if Jake bombs out again.

As for presason stats, what else would we use? He hasn't played since 2007 and then only 3 games. Since then he has looked very mediocre.

What were Jake's Preseason numbers when he took Peete's spot? Jake had been in the system less time then Moore has and had the same amount of starting time as Moore. Not too mention we had almost killed Jake in the game when he started for Arron Brooks. Again Fox seem too show more Confidence in Jake in 2003 then he is showing in Moore now.

[panthers55]

He didn't start playing until way after things got out of hand. When Pete was pulled we still had a chance. So you really cant compare the two. And that philly D didn't slack off the blitz really at all in that game so more still saw plenty of pressure. But he still played a lot better then Jake

Down by 14 and down by 28 is a completely different situation. Plus he did lead them to the one, was the o-lines fault they couldnt' get it in on 4 run plays.

Exactly, he entered the game at the start of the 4th quarter, down 28. That's quite a bit different than a 14 point deficit at halftime.

Glad to see everyone is paying attention. I am not saying Moore should have come and won the game but I am saying that he did nothing to make us figure that he is capable of replacing Jake similar to what Jake did with Pete. Yet you guys want to hand over the reigns right away.

I remember that game and Pete was miserable and was getting tons of pressure and looking terrible. Jake came in and threw 3 TDs in a half and the rest of history.

I expected folks to say he threw 2 picks that day as well but I suppose most folks don't remember it like I do.