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FO Film Room: Cam more than his stats; best QB in 2015

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For most quarterbacks, this play would easily have been one of their best for the whole season. For Newton, it's just one that he was expected to make on a regular basis. Newton completed just 60 percent of his passes, but his accuracy rate was 77.1 percent. And a 77.1 percent accuracy rate while throwing the ball downfield under pressure isn't logical.

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We can compare his efficiency numbers to the other quarterbacks in the league. The quarterbacks who thrive from completely clean pockets. The quarterbacks who have ball-winning receivers who erase the need for accuracy. The quarterbacks who throw to dynamic, creative runners who can create yards after the catch on screens and other simple throws. Or we can be realistic. We can actually assess how rare a talent the Panthers passer is. We can actually acknowledge how high his performance level has been each week. We can appreciate how important he has been to his team's 15 victories this season without feeling compelled to diminish it by pointing to Luke Kuechly and Josh Norman.

Maybe it's inconvenient for some, but Cam Newton is one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL now. He was the best in 2015.

 

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3 minutes ago, DabDeezNuts224 said:

of course it's an outstanding concept when its Cam 

It's an outstanding concept when it's anybody.

People talked about David Carr having the best completion percentage in the league.  He played in a WCO (which always inflates QB stats) and was all around terrible, but hey there's that.

Likewise, if you look at a stat sheet, Matt Stafford comes off like a star.  Except in reality he's rarely clutch and blows a lot of games in the fourth.

I don't judge by a stat sheet.  Never have.  Never will.

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2 minutes ago, DabDeezNuts224 said:

of course it's an outstanding concept when its Cam 

Quarterback rating, and most people for that matter, view QB stats as only throwing the ball. That's the inherent problem with QB stats. As a RW fan, you should realize that as well. Additionally, scheme can have a large affect as well.

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5 minutes ago, Paa Langfart said:

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For most quarterbacks, this play would easily have been one of their best for the whole season. For Newton, it's just one that he was expected to make on a regular basis. Newton completed just 60 percent of his passes, but his accuracy rate was 77.1 percent. And a 77.1 percent accuracy rate while throwing the ball downfield under pressure isn't logical.

Let's see how many in the National media  (and Seahawk fans for that matter) will quote this line when discussing Newton's alleged accuracy issues?

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10 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

It's an outstanding concept when it's anybody.

People talked about David Carr having the best completion percentage in the league.  He played in a WCO (which always inflates QB stats) and was all around terrible, but hey there's that.

Likewise, if you look at a stat sheet, Matt Stafford comes off like a star.  Except in reality he's rarely clutch and blows a lot of games in the fourth.

I don't judge by a stat sheet.  Never have.  Never will.

Pretty much. There is so much more that goes into evaluating a player than stats. I remember saying this to myself especially during our first half of the season when Cam's stats were not very great but we were winning and some people still tried to label him as a bad QB because of completion percentage. All I could think to myself was that they don't watch the games. 

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3 minutes ago, IGSaint said:

Pretty much. There is so much more that goes into evaluating a player than stats. I remember saying this to myself especially during our first half of the season when Cam's stats were not very great but we were winning and some people still tried to label him as a bad QB because of completion percentage. All I could think to myself was that they don't watch the games. 

I've checked end of year stats before.  Invariably, I'll see a lousy quarterback somewhere near the top and a good quarterback somewhere in the lower half.

Stats have their place, but you have to know when to listen to Mark Twain.

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Notice Huddler's: The author spoke almost exclusively  about Cam's passing, and didn't resort to the default running argument stats by many-even here.

You don't have to immediately talk about running, cause you think Cam's passing doesn't measure up. Even Jeremy could be doing this in his recent MVP thread.

Good thing is; Cam's passing does measure up to anyone. The only QB Panther fans should have to defer to this year is Tom Brady on General Principal.

Learn to beat these guys at their "own" arguments, and language (allegedly passing). Cause you can Panther fans.

Then, when you add the run component, it becomes an all out slam dunk, thrashing, beat down.

FWIW: Cam's got great stats to: #1 scoring offense. #2 passing TD's. Top 10 QB rating. And yes, those 10 rushing TD's as well. LOL

And just think, how many more "stats" Newton would have with out all the bad weather games, potential TD drops, and receivers being stopped on the 1 yard line? So, Newton would have even better stats than that.

So, don't be afraid to go head to head arguing Cam vs Palmer or Wilson on general principle/QB skill, mind you his overall stats compared to others. He covered them both (and also leadership, making others better as well, which I didn't get into)!

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