The Panthers scored 500 points in the regular season

[pantherphan96]

FYI, the Panthers 500 points in the regular season is the 16th highest point total in the NFL since 1990.

And as far as I can tell with a cursory search through pre-1990 NFL and AFL records, historically the Panthers 500 points is the 18th highest point total in a season (1984 Dolphins and 1983 Redskins each had 500+ points).

And according to this website (http://mcubed.net/nfl/ptmpfpg.shtml) the Panthers 31.25 points/game would rank historically as the 23rd best scoring offense, with a couple teams slipping ahead on PPG due to a season that was shorter than the 16 games we play in the current NFL season.

[panthers55]

A coach who has done a very good job in his 3rd as quarterback coach is Ken Dorsey. He has done a lot to help Cam through all the ups and downs. He was a pretty decent quarterback in college only losing 2 games while at Miami and was a heaisman finalist 2 years. He and Cam have a great relationship I have heard.

[JawnyBlaze]

The thing the Shula slurpers don't seem to understand is that us haters aren't saying Shula doesn't know how to design plays.  For years Shula was HORRIBLE at calling plays.  He improved this year, there's no denying that.  But there is also no denying that when Cam calls the plays (that Shula designed), we do better than when Shula is calling the plays. 

Shula showed real and noticeable improvement this year, for sure.  But the offense runs better when Cam is deciding which plays to run in any given situation.

edit: but even talking about designing plays, the flea flickers to Cotchery and screen passes to Bersin gotsta go.

[ThinkAboutIt]

Should've been 514 (14 more at Atlanta).

[CPantherKing]

You do realize Cam has selected plays he wants to run that are agreed upon with Shula, but they are Cam's decisions and not Shula's. When he audibles he is ditching the play Shula thought would be good, but Cam sees that it will not work against the defense since they figured out Shula's predictable system. When you see Cam communicate with the receivers, OL, and then RBs, Cam has completely trashed the play call and adjusted each aspect of the play on the field.

Now, if it were a predetermined audible that involved multiple plays called in the huddle, then you can credit Shula. This will happen on occasion when you hear Cam kill the play at the line and signal a play in the cadence without adjusting anyone on offense.

It is obvious to me Cam and Luke have more control of the game than the coaches. It annoys me that Cam and Luke are having to continually tell the coaches to hurry up and make a decision/get a play call in. If you watch close enough, you will see when Cam and Luke ignore the coaches calls since they are late and unprepared and just call their own play in the huddle.

I like the "Randy" audible. This is Cam's go to when he believes he can rip the top off the defense. It also works when he initiates it as a dummy call since the defense is put on alert that Cam is going rogue. Cam was not allowed to use the "Randy" call against Atlanta last week, but he used it multiple times against Atlanta in the blowout. If they were not going to use "Randy", the coaches still should have used it as a dummy call imo.

"Pittsburgh" is another one. There seems to be 8 or 9 calls that allow Cam to change up whatever he wants from the blocking to the routes on a given play.

 

 

[panthers55]

10 hours ago, JawnyBlaze said:

The thing the Shula slurpers don't seem to understand is that us haters aren't saying Shula doesn't know how to design plays.  For years Shula was HORRIBLE at calling plays.  He improved this year, there's no denying that.  But there is also no denying that when Cam calls the plays (that Shula designed), we do better than when Shula is calling the plays. 

Shula showed real and noticeable improvement this year, for sure.  But the offense runs better when Cam is deciding which plays to run in any given situation.

edit: but even talking about designing plays, the flea flickers to Cotchery and screen passes to Bersin gotsta go.

What you haters don't realize is that Shula had to call all the plays until Cam understood defenses enough to audibilize after seeing the defense. Shula has always wanted to give Cam control of the offense as Cam is in the best position to see the defense and make adjustments. Up until now Cam didn't always make good decisions and know what to do. Under Shula's tutelage Cam has grown and mastered this offense. In turn Shula has given him more freedom to audibilize and go no huddle. Shula has been and is still the same. As Cam has developed and mastered the offense he has improved to where he can run the offense and do it well. This isn't Cam versus Shula it is Cam with Shula working together to run the offense. People who want to say it is all Cam and that the offense is good despite Shula have no idea what they are talking about and are using emotion not logic or intelligence to make their case.

[panthers55]

10 hours ago, CPantherKing said:

You do realize Cam has selected plays he wants to run that are agreed upon with Shula, but they are Cam's decisions and not Shula's. When he audibles he is ditching the play Shula thought would be good, but Cam sees that it will not work against the defense since they figured out Shula's predictable system. When you see Cam communicate with the receivers, OL, and then RBs, Cam has completely trashed the play call and adjusted each aspect of the play on the field.

Now, if it were a predetermined audible that involved multiple plays called in the huddle, then you can credit Shula. This will happen on occasion when you hear Cam kill the play at the line and signal a play in the cadence without adjusting anyone on offense.

It is obvious to me Cam and Luke have more control of the game than the coaches. It annoys me that Cam and Luke are having to continually tell the coaches to hurry up and make a decision/get a play call in. If you watch close enough, you will see when Cam and Luke ignore the coaches calls since they are late and unprepared and just call their own play in the huddle.

I like the "Randy" audible. This is Cam's go to when he believes he can rip the top off the defense. It also works when he initiates it as a dummy call since the defense is put on alert that Cam is going rogue. Cam was not allowed to use the "Randy" call against Atlanta last week, but he used it multiple times against Atlanta in the blowout. If they were not going to use "Randy", the coaches still should have used it as a dummy call imo.

"Pittsburgh" is another one. There seems to be 8 or 9 calls that allow Cam to change up whatever he wants from the blocking to the routes on a given play.

 

 

From what I can tell Cam only ditches a play when for example he calls a pass play and the defense is in blitz mode or he calls a run play and they have 9 in the box. More often he changes the blocking protection with the back to account for a blitz or overload or changes the pass play orvrunning play based on the defensive alignment. It looks to me that he moves Olsen around to go out or block and for at least 1 receiver to change his route often as he should.

How do you know he wasn't allowed to use the Randy call? And maybe it was because we played them 2 weeks before and had to change the audibles. Maybe we didn't use it against Tampa the first time so it fine now. You make it seem that the players are successful in spite of the coaches and that just doesn't sound reasonable or correct at all. They work together not against one another. 

[FootballMaestro]

11 hours ago, pantherphan96 said:

FYI, the Panthers 500 points in the regular season is the 16th highest point total in the NFL since 1990.

And as far as I can tell with a cursory search through pre-1990 NFL and AFL records, historically the Panthers 500 points is the 18th highest point total in a season (1984 Dolphins and 1983 Redskins each had 500+ points).

And according to this website (http://mcubed.net/nfl/ptmpfpg.shtml) the Panthers 31.25 points/game would rank historically as the 23rd best scoring offense, with a couple teams slipping ahead on PPG due to a season that was shorter than the 16 games we play in the current NFL season.

The irony is: With all the receiver drops; the poor weather early games, and the fact that Rivera always hits the brakes with a 17 pt + lead (mind you KB not being there). Imagine, how much more they could have scored?

[Khyber53]

11 hours ago, pantherphan96 said:

FYI, the Panthers 500 points in the regular season is the 16th highest point total in the NFL since 1990.

And as far as I can tell with a cursory search through pre-1990 NFL and AFL records, historically the Panthers 500 points is the 18th highest point total in a season (1984 Dolphins and 1983 Redskins each had 500+ points).

And according to this website (http://mcubed.net/nfl/ptmpfpg.shtml) the Panthers 31.25 points/game would rank historically as the 23rd best scoring offense, with a couple teams slipping ahead on PPG due to a season that was shorter than the 16 games we play in the current NFL season.

This is some good research and really puts things in perspective as to how special this year has been. 

[JawnyBlaze]

1 hour ago, panthers55 said:

What you haters don't realize is that Shula had to call all the plays until Cam understood defenses enough to audibilize after seeing the defense. Shula has always wanted to give Cam control of the offense as Cam is in the best position to see the defense and make adjustments. Up until now Cam didn't always make good decisions and know what to do. Under Shula's tutelage Cam has grown and mastered this offense. In turn Shula has given him more freedom to audibilize and go no huddle. Shula has been and is still the same. As Cam has developed and mastered the offense he has improved to where he can run the offense and do it well. This isn't Cam versus Shula it is Cam with Shula working together to run the offense. People who want to say it is all Cam and that the offense is good despite Shula have no idea what they are talking about and are using emotion not logic or intelligence to make their case.

that's all fine and well, but it doesn't change the fact that the inability to call a game well during the game is a serious shortcoming for an OC.  And that's Shula's problem.  Shula may have built this car, but he can't drive it worth a poo.  Cam's the one behind the wheel that makes it win races.

[panthers55]

1 minute ago, JawnyBlaze said:

that's all fine and well, but it doesn't change the fact that the inability to call a game well during the game is a serious shortcoming for an OC.  And that's Shula's problem.  Shula may have built this car, but it ain't going anywhere without gas.  And Cam's the nitro fuel that makes it go.

You are totally unaware of what we do at all. Shula calls the formation based on down and distance and gives Cam a play since Cam doesn't have time to think about that in the heat of the moment. There are multiple plays both run and pass that can be run out of that formation which Shula and Cam have talked about based on what the opponent does on film. Cam then goes with that play if the defense lines up as expected or changes it to what they talked about if they are in a different look. Cam sees the defense and the microphone to Shula or Dorsey is not working when he comes up to the line. It is Cam implementing what they both talked about all week which is Cams job. Once again it isn't either or but both. As Cam has improved his understanding he has taken over more of the offense and executed fantastically. If you give Cam credit you have to give credit to all the other players and all the coaches. Football is the ultimate team sport.

[JawnyBlaze]

1 minute ago, panthers55 said:

You are totally unaware of what we do at all. Shula calls the formation based on down and distance and gives Cam a play since Cam doesn't have time to think about that in the heat of the moment. There are multiple plays both run and pass that can be run out of that formation which Shula and Cam have talked about based on what the opponent does on film. Cam then goes with that play if the defense lines up as expected or changes it to what they talked about if they are in a different look. Cam sees the defense and the microphone to Shula or Dorsey is not working when he comes up to the line. It is Cam implementing what they both talked about all week which is Cams job. Once again it isn't either or but both. As Cam has improved his understanding he has taken over more of the offense and executed fantastically. If you give Cam credit you have to give credit to all the other players and all the coaches. Football is the ultimate team sport.

I'm not totally unaware of anything.  If anything, you're totally unaware of what I'm saying.  The difference in our offense is that in previous years, Cam had less control over which play is run.  Shula decided which play was run.  And often it was a poor decision.  Now that Shula has given that deciding power to Cam in most cases, better decisions are made. It's that simple.  I'm saying Shula improved, but also Cam's ability to decide which plays to run has greatly benefited the offensive production.

[The_Light_Brigade]

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