Personnel and Coaching

[panthers55]

Everyone assumes that every player on the active roster are 100% healthy jus because they aren't on the injury list. Sometimes limiting snaps for one player is because at this point he does best coming in situationally rather than every down for example this late in the season.  Or maybe a player like Delaire for example is too much a liability in the run game to be out there all day. The coaches see guys every day in practice not just on game day like we do. It is ridiculous to say they don't know who to play or for how long.  Injury doesn't force coaches to make right choices it forces them to make changes which sometimes work out and sometimes doesn't. In either case the coaches are the ones getting the backups ready to play and doing everything they can to help the team. If they felt the backups should get more playing time and we're ready to shine then they would be in giving the starters more time to rest.  This coaching staff is very good when you consider how they have gotten everyone ready to play at such a high level. If you and I think we can tell who is playing best or who should get more playing time then why would these professional not see the obvious. They clearly must be operating on more information than we are. 

[Chaos]

10 hours ago, CarolinaSamurai said:

It's the coaches job to share snaps and choose the best % of young and old so the old arnt tired and the young arnt lost. 

It's the couches job to realize when someone's tired or needs a damn break. 

I see what you did there

[CarolinaSamurai]

44 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Everyone assumes that every player on the active roster are 100% healthy jus because they aren't on the injury list. Sometimes limiting snaps for one player is because at this point he does best coming in situationally rather than every down for example this late in the season.  Or maybe a player like Delaire for example is too much a liability in the run game to be out there all day. The coaches see guys every day in practice not just on game day like we do. It is ridiculous to say they don't know who to play or for how long.  Injury doesn't force coaches to make right choices it forces them to make changes which sometimes work out and sometimes doesn't. In either case the coaches are the ones getting the backups ready to play and doing everything they can to help the team. If they felt the backups should get more playing time and we're ready to shine then they would be in giving the starters more time to rest.  This coaching staff is very good when you consider how they have gotten everyone ready to play at such a high level. If you and I think we can tell who is playing best or who should get more playing time then why would these professional not see the obvious. They clearly must be operating on more information than we are. 

That's the thing. They haven't had any pressure from the outside for weeks. Harpers been messing up for weeks. If you think the coaches see something we don't and know better then why has the problems we have on defense not fixed itself? 

Perhaps there is a little favoritism towards certain players letting them stay in because they are asking to stay? 

[jamos14]

Coaches are obviously playing the young guys that are talented enough and ready to see the field (Trai,Shaq,Norwell,Bene,etc).  

Should CJ and Allen be playing the majority of the snaps? No. But Addison/Delaire are both terrible at run defense.  The sole argument about the youth movement should be Ealy. He has shown big flashes. But he's also had really stupid periods too (back to back offsides, missing backside plays)

Boston is obviously not talented enough to see the field over Harper.  He had plenty of chances on film last year and the coaches don't like/trust him enough to see the field.  It's as simple as that.

 

 

[panthers55]

7 minutes ago, CarolinaSamurai said:

That's the thing. They haven't had any pressure from the outside for weeks. Harpers been messing up for weeks. If you think the coaches see something we don't and know better then why has the problems we have on defense not fixed itself? 

Perhaps there is a little favoritism towards certain players letting them stay in because they are asking to stay? 

Maybe the best guys are on the field and we don't have better options. Rivera has started 7 rookies in a playoff game so you can't assume he has that much favoritism to veterans. But sometimes veterans make up for a drop off in physical skills with their experience and knowledge of football. In either case Rivera is doing what he thinks is best and no knowledgeable fan would be able to argue that Rivera doesn't know football or how to evaluate defensive personnel. That is what his reputation has been built upon.

[jamos14]

3 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Maybe the best guys are on the field and we don't have better options. 

Yes, this x 100. If we had depth, we'd be using it.

 

  

[csx]

If you look at the actual snap counts you will see that these guys are not dominating the snaps as you suggest. It's amazing how quickly people revert to their complaining about the coaching.

[CarolinaSamurai]

40 minutes ago, csx said:

If you look at the actual snap counts you will see that these guys are not dominating the snaps as you suggest. It's amazing how quickly people revert to their complaining about the coaching.

http://blackandbluereview.com/week-16-snap-counts-panthers-at-falcons/2/

Roman Harper 100%

CJ 66%

Allen 55%

http://blackandbluereview.com/week-15-snap-counts-panthers-at-giants/2/

Roman Harper 100%

CJ 67%

Allen 72%

Now the game we did great 

http://blackandbluereview.com/week-14-snap-counts-falcons-at-panthers/2/

Roman Harper 73%

Allen 56%

CJ 53%

Back to another def  putting

http://blackandbluereview.com/week-13-snap-counts-panthers-at-saints/2/

Roman Harper 100%

CJ 84% 

Allen 72%

 

Notice a trend?

[panthers55]

3 minutes ago, CarolinaSamurai said:

http://blackandbluereview.com/week-16-snap-counts-panthers-at-falcons/2/

Roman Harper 100%

CJ 66%

Allen 55%

http://blackandbluereview.com/week-15-snap-counts-panthers-at-giants/2/

Roman Harper 100%

CJ 67%

Allen 72%

Now the game we did great 

http://blackandbluereview.com/week-14-snap-counts-falcons-at-panthers/2/

Roman Harper 73%

Allen 56%

CJ 53%

Back to another def  putting

http://blackandbluereview.com/week-13-snap-counts-panthers-at-saints/2/

Roman Harper 100%

CJ 84% 

Allen 72%

 

Notice a trend?

You can imagine that If there are any trends they would be aware of it given they have guys who do nothing but dissect games and create film looks from every angle for film study by the coaches and players. They break everything down every week and even do self scouting to see what other teams are picking up. The problem isn't identifying the problem but fixing it. Harper maybe our best option given we are having to play Coleman in the slot and need Harper in there against the run. If Boston should be playing he would be I would think. They have film on all the guys and see them in practice every day. My issue isn't that there may be trends so much as we don't have better options and it is too late to bring in guys off the street in this offensive and defensive scheme and expect them to contribute this season.  We are rolling with what we have. Rivera wants to rest starters so tell me why would he not be playing backups if they were the best choice or even close in ability to the starters. You know he would be all for it. He has surely done it in the past.

[ShutDwn]

30 minutes ago, CarolinaSamurai said:

 

Now the game we did great 

http://blackandbluereview.com/week-14-snap-counts-falcons-at-panthers/2/

Roman Harper 73%

Allen 56%

CJ 53%

Back to another def  putting

 

That game was over in the 3rd quarter, snap counts aren't useful here

[CarolinaSamurai]

1 hour ago, ShutDwn said:

That game was over in the 3rd quarter, snap counts aren't useful here

OK....

Week 4- 12

Harper

59% 93% 87% 84% 100%(colts game) 63% 52% 84%

I would put up all the DE stats but I'll just summarize. Ealy was second most snaps all the way till CJ came back from IR. Since Dallas we haven't had a DE sack. 

[KB_fan]

4 hours ago, jamos14 said:

Coaches are obviously playing the young guys that are talented enough and ready to see the field (Trai,Shaq,Norwell,Bene,etc).  

Should CJ and Allen be playing the majority of the snaps? No. But Addison/Delaire are both terrible at run defense.  The sole argument about the youth movement should be Ealy. He has shown big flashes. But he's also had really stupid periods too (back to back offsides, missing backside plays)

Boston is obviously not talented enough to see the field over Harper.  He had plenty of chances on film last year and the coaches don't like/trust him enough to see the field.  It's as simple as that.

I think Ron already mentioned in one of his pressers this week that they'll probably be decreasing Allen's snaps.  I assume that means we'll be playing Ealy & Delaire more this week.  (Remember, Delaire's monster game was against Tampa...)

[*FreeFua*]

4 hours ago, jamos14 said:

Should CJ and Allen be playing the majority of the snaps? No. But Addison/Delaire are both terrible at run defense.  The sole argument about the youth movement should be Ealy. He has shown big flashes. But he's also had really stupid periods too (back to back offsides, missing backside plays)

Ealy's back to back offsides imo can be contributed to the lack of snaps and Kony simply trying to do too much with his opportunities when given. 

 

Going forward (after this season) Ealy is very important to this teams success. Cutting his snaps back was dumb, period. He needs reps and what Allen brings isn't worth what we're taking away from Ealy.

[KB_fan]

5 hours ago, panthers55 said:

Maybe the best guys are on the field and we don't have better options. Rivera has started 7 rookies in a playoff game so you can't assume he has that much favoritism to veterans. But sometimes veterans make up for a drop off in physical skills with their experience and knowledge of football. In either case Rivera is doing what he thinks is best and no knowledgeable fan would be able to argue that Rivera doesn't know football or how to evaluate defensive personnel. That is what his reputation has been built upon.

At the beginning of the season, I posted a lot of stats to show that in his previous 4 seasons Ron has played and started rookies more than any other Carolina coach, and more than almost all the other teams in the league (in 2014). 

At the same time, I did statistical analysis that showed teams were much less likely to win with high numbers of rookies starting.  ( If anyone wants, i can post those links here to analysis re: Ron's playing rookies, and the relation between rookie play & wins.)

This year, our rookie play time stats are obviously way down from last year.  Some of that is due to injury (Funchess missing a lot of preseason and taking time to develop, and Daryl Williams' early season injury that caused him to miss 4 or 5 weeks).  But also, our lower rookie playing time this year is also likely to be because we have the luxury of a pretty solid roster  not too many injuries, and thus being able to bring some of these guys on more slowly.

Ron played 7 rookies in the playoffs last year and we won against AZ.  I am quite confident that if he sees a rookie or young guy who can play better than a vet, he will in most cases make the call.  A few players (CJ in particular) may be getting a bit more playing time than currently warranted by their production. But I think CJ's case is largely an exception out of hope that he'll get in a groove and get hot for the playoffs, and also out of respect for who he is and his role as a team captain.

I haven't closely watched enough of Boston's play to understand his weaknesses and why he's not getting more playing time, but as others have said, there seems to be a clear consensus by the coaches that Harper & Coleman are better...  Hopefully Boston will continue to evolve into a solid starter.