DEFENSE?

[The Lobo]

I agree with you for the most part. We had two trips to the red zone where we poo'd to bed. The drive where can got sacked for a 17 yard loss took us out of fg range and we had another where we marched and looked good, but had two bad run plays in a row and had to settle for a fg. That being said, our d could have been a little better. That penalty on the Falcons first drive was huge ( still don't see how they flagged peanut for that) to me that changed the game. The d knew they couldn't trash talk and get too physical and all that.

 

having no pressure from our d ends is what killed us. Sending too many blitzes hurt big time. Take away that fluke Julio td game would have been different. They made some stops and didn't tackle well. I can't recall what quarter it was but there was a drive where it was 3rd and five, they handed off to freeman we had him wrapped up in the backfield, and he busted it for a huge first down. We stop them there we would have got the ball back in good field position.

 

Also, huge dropped passes by the o as well. Not their fault but it happened. I feel pretty good knowing all this. Like I said in another thread with all this going down, we had a chance with 1:35 left. Not too bad all things considered. 

[AU-panther]

11 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

Well the offense spent most of the day watching the Falcons offense execute drives that lasted damn near a whole quarter 

If the offense would have converted more 3rd downs the Falcons wouldn't have had the ball as much.

Both sides played poorly.  We couldn't stop them on 3rd down and our 3rd down conversion percentage was terrible.  I think I saw somewhere that Cam was 0/7 on 3rd and 4th down passing.  This was a total team effort. 

[xXxBretWeedxXx]

2 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

If the offense would have converted more 3rd downs the Falcons wouldn't have had the ball as much.

Both sides played poorly.  We couldn't stop them on 3rd down and our 3rd down conversion percentage was terrible.  I think I saw somewhere that Cam was 0/7 on 3rd and 4th down passing.  This was a total team effort. 

The drive that lasted close to a quarter was directly after the Panthers scored on the opening possession.

[Peppers90 NC]

41 minutes ago, scratched said:

I see lots of people questioning our defense.. Did yall watch the same game I did? We gave up 20 points, 7 being on a play that probably should have been an INT.. Luke was caught in a position were he couldnt really jump and Coleman fell down. The problem yesterday was the inability of the OFFENSE to get the ball down the field! I cant remeber seeing any plays down the field yesterday, and normally there are 3 or 4 times we go deep.. Not sure what the problem was, but it was apparent the O didnt do its job yesterday.. I think we abandoned the run game a little to much. CAP was running pretty good IMHO.. We scored 13 points against the FALCONS, are you serious?/ 

Did you see their 3rd down conversion percentage? Want to take your offense out of the game? Keep them off the field for long periods at a time.

[cgarsmoker]

In the first game we were taking shots over the top of the Falcons defense, yesterday I think I remember taking 1 deep shot all game.  Cap looked really good and he only got 5 carries, for a team that is usually balanced - it didn't look that way yesterday.  Even the 4th down play to Olsen at the end of the game was just bad.  I'm not sure if Olsen did anything more than run 5 yards and turn around while Cam threw an uncatchable ball over his head.  I love Cam and Greg but that play had no chance at all.  

[mcdougal]

34 minutes ago, scratched said:

I see lots of people questioning our defense.. Did yall watch the same game I did? We gave up 20 points, 7 being on a play that probably should have been an INT.. Luke was caught in a position were he couldnt really jump and Coleman fell down. The problem yesterday was the inability of the OFFENSE to get the ball down the field! I cant remeber seeing any plays down the field yesterday, and normally there are 3 or 4 times we go deep.. Not sure what the problem was, but it was apparent the O didnt do its job yesterday.. I think we abandoned the run game a little to much. CAP was running pretty good IMHO.. We scored 13 points against the FALCONS, are you serious?/ 

If you wanted an offense that could get the ball down the field...you do not spend four of the last five first round draft picks on defense. You do not go into a season where Philly Brown is your No. 1 WR or create a situation where if Ted Ginn Jr. of all people get injured your offense is screwed. You do ignore your WR core when your No. 1 goes down in training camp but as soon as CJ goes down your immediately trade for Allen...or sign Finnegan because of injuries to your DB core.

This ENTIRE team is build AROUND our defense. Our ENTIRE offensive philosophy is in part dictated by wanting to have a fresh defensive unit so they can attack opposing offenses. We have pour almost exclusively our limited resources in the form of draft picks, salary cap, free agent signings to that unit.

Ron Rivera has literally said, when asked why he cut/got rid all of our WRs, that the Panthers only needed to replace about 2,000 yards of offense...which means he was only interested in matching one of the league's worst passing offenses; we have literally gone back to back high draft picks on DL while at the same time having one of the leagues least productive WRs/OL groups in the NFL...

 

But given all this, we want to look to the offense for guidance? At what point is the Huddle going to look our front office instead of the players or the OC, and realize that if you want an offense capable of not going into stretches of ineffectiveness, you have to ACTUALLY invest in that unit?

At what point are certain people going to figure out that the Panthers will go as far as the defense takes them? And that expecting a fairly talent-less offensive unit to lead the way, while dumping a disproportionate amount of resources into  the defensive, can only lead to huge disappointments?

[Cpt slay a ho]

27 minutes ago, cgarsmoker said:

In the first game we were taking shots over the top of the Falcons defense, yesterday I think I remember taking 1 deep shot all game.  Cap looked really good and he only got 5 carries, for a team that is usually balanced - it didn't look that way yesterday.  Even the 4th down play to Olsen at the end of the game was just bad.  I'm not sure if Olsen did anything more than run 5 yards and turn around while Cam threw an uncatchable ball over his head.  I love Cam and Greg but that play had no chance at all.  

Should have been a PI, greg was getting mugged passed 5 and while trying to make the catch 

[AU-panther]

36 minutes ago, mcdougal said:

If you wanted an offense that could get the ball down the field...you do not spend four of the last five first round draft picks on defense. You do not go into a season where Philly Brown is your No. 1 WR or create a situation where if Ted Ginn Jr. of all people get injured your offense is screwed. You do ignore your WR core when your No. 1 goes down in training camp but as soon as CJ goes down your immediately trade for Allen...or sign Finnegan because of injuries to your DB core.

This ENTIRE team is build AROUND our defense. Our ENTIRE offensive philosophy is in part dictated by wanting to have a fresh defensive unit so they can attack opposing offenses. We have pour almost exclusively our limited resources in the form of draft picks, salary cap, free agent signings to that unit.

Ron Rivera has literally said, when asked why he cut/got rid all of our WRs, that the Panthers only needed to replace about 2,000 yards of offense...which means he was only interested in matching one of the league's worst passing offenses; we have literally gone back to back high draft picks on DL while at the same time having one of the leagues least productive WRs/OL groups in the NFL...

 

But given all this, we want to look to the offense for guidance? At what point is the Huddle going to look our front office instead of the players or the OC, and realize that if you want an offense capable of not going into stretches of ineffectiveness, you have to ACTUALLY invest in that unit?

At what point are certain people going to figure out that the Panthers will go as far as the defense takes them? And that expecting a fairly talent-less offensive unit to lead the way, while dumping a disproportionate amount of resources into  the defensive, can only lead to huge disappointments?

Actually we have allocated more cap space to the offense the last 3 years (maybe more but I was too lazy to go back that far).

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/

Aa far as the draft goes if you look at the first three rounds for the last 3 years we have picked more on offense.

2015 2 of the first 3 picks were offense.  Both of them we actually traded up for.

2014 2 of the first 3 picks were offense.

2013 1 of the first 3 picks were offense.

I fully understand that the first round has been heavy on defense, but forcing yourself to pick a particular side of the ball in a particular round is a risky proposition .  I would much prefer to hit on a defensive player then miss on an offensive one.  

If you factor in all of the rounds in the last three years it is split evenly (8-8) if my memory is correct.

Either way, this idea that the team allocates all of its resources to the defensive side of the ball is a myth that continually gets perpetrated around here.

[mc52beast]

Falcons were 9-16 on third down, we couldn't get off the field... except for KK we got very little pressure from our front four... 

This team has issues on defense, teams are watching tape and are adjusting. We won't be playing the Falcons or Bucs in the playoffs.

[Swaggasaurus]

It was a group effort on both sides. However myself and others are not looking at yesterday's game in a microscope. Indy, Green Bay, NYG. Something is wrong with this defense. And while we are getting gouged with big runs, that is only because we are tired. The real problem is that we cannot get off of the field on 3rd down because we have no pass rush from the ends and a corner back and safety , Roman and Tillman who are too old and stiff.

[juliosantos]

anyone who watched that game would know the falcons destroyed our defense . it looked like the 4th quarter of games we blown the lead in . teams kill us with short passes and on 3rd down.

[General_Purr]

Gaps in coverage. They were just getting to soft spots in the coverage. Harper....

 

 

Colin jones is missed from me.. wanted more Shaq with his coverage skills

[tacdiddy]

get over it already. were 14-1 and looking good besides the 1 game. the pass rush will be a mixture of blitzes cuz the line cant do it all. it will come together boys

[Cuttinedge]

16 minutes ago, General_Purr said:

Gaps in coverage. They were just getting to soft spots in the coverage. Harper....

 

 

Colin jones is missed from me.. wanted more Shaq with his coverage skills

I saw on tv somewhere today.  Some analyst say they're offensive co ordinators out there right  now figuring every way possible to attack #41 every chance they can. 

And I guess McDermott or RR can't see that.