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Cris Collinsworth Doubts If Cam Newton Should Be MVP

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10 hours ago, Cookie Lyon said:

Cris Collinsworth and Al Michaels were discussing who should be MVP and Collinsworth suggested that he is unsure if Cam should be the MVP since he lost one game. WTF?!!!

Cris Collinsworth has a MVP vote, but Al Michaels does not. Michaels said that Newton is the MVP and that he would vote for him. So, Cam has to be undefeated to win the MVP award, but Brady and Palmer can have multiple losses and it's cool?

Collinsworth should have his MVP vote REVOKED with his ridiculous logic. I just hope the other MVP voters don't share Cris Collinsworth's views and vote against Cam.

 

Well, these will be all the people you know who don't like or believe in him, who have this sort of thinking.

Didn't Brady lose a game yesterday, after throwing one or two picks with out many points?

They can't jump on the Carson Palmer bandwagon now, after ignoring him all this time, and claiming he plays with super talent and a great offensive mind in Arians.

Of course Pittsburgh and Seattle lost as well, with puny offensive efforts.

So who's Collinsworth gonna vote for.

Nonetheless, he's entitled to his opinion.

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1 minute ago, FootballMaestro said:

Well, these will be all the people you know who don't like or believe in him, who have this sort of thinking.

Didn't Brady lose a game yesterday, after throwing one or two picks with out many points?

They can't jump on the Carson Palmer bandwagon now, after ignoring him all this time, and claiming he plays with super talent and a great offensive mind in Arians.

Of course Pittsburgh and Seattle lost as well, with puny offensive efforts.

So who's Collinsworth gonna vote for.

Nonetheless, he's entitled to his opinion.

Collinsworth wasn't going to vote for Cam anyway. I bet there are a lot of other voters who feel the same way as him, sadly.

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8 hours ago, Wolfpredator said:

I am saying between Palmer, Brady and Wilson...Palmer has an edge above Brady and Wilson, not Cam.  Brady and Wilson at this point...should not even be in the talks anymore after today.  This is all IMHO of course.

Wilson, quite honestly was a side bar talk.

The guy was largely responsible for the Hawks 5 loses, by holding on to the ball too much. Now they lost their 6th game at home, against a no name QB. And they may end up with 7 losses, after playing Arizona next week.

No way Wilson be in the running for the MVP with that record (especially with that cheap, stat padding TD to end the game).  A

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5 hours ago, Kakarot said:

Cam will throw for 3 or 4 TDs Sunday against TB, we'll get the win, and he'll get that MVP award. 

While I was hoping for history, the loss yesterday will serve its purpose and refocus the team. Aside from TB, we will be underdogs or be severely doubted from here on out. This team thrives when being doubted or hated. Cam and the offense get back to rolling next week. As for the defense, I don't know, but I feel our offense will have to carry us throughout the postseason 

So, you think the Panthers will be underdogs against Minnesota, Seattle (after yesterday's stinker), and GB after their stinker??

Of course, a lot of this will do with how the previously named teams will play, and how the seedings shake out. But I don't think they should/would be favorites.

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3 hours ago, Will Lee Moe said:

Rushing TDs aren't a QB stat Pox. It takes no skill of throwing or even moving the football to run. There's no quarterback skill involved with rushing,.

Including just those raw numbers and throwing in non-QB stats to pipe up your guy is pretty obtuse Pox.

Translation:  "The QB's that I like whose skin color matches the color of the hood that I wear couldn't score TDs running the ball in their wildest dreams, ergo your rushing TDs stat is invalid."

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2 hours ago, pantherjack77 said:

Newton has a stigma attached to him- zero playoff pedigree

yes he has won a playoff game ....but the perception is that when the stakes are at the highest, Cam Newton as a pro has not delivered...

this is absurd but until he delivers when the lights are the brightest this is the perception and it taints even MVP voting

I see your point, but how does that explain the fact that Carson Palmer has been in the league for 13 years and has ZERO playoff wins?

MVP Candidate A is in the league 5 years, has a (previous) playoff win, and over 40 TDs scored.

MVP Candidate B is in the league 13 years, has zero playoff wins, and has less than 40 TDs scored.

MVP Candidate A has a "stigma".

MVP Candidate B does not.

Gosh golly gee whillikers, I wonder from whence that "stigma" could possibly be originating?

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2 hours ago, pantherjack77 said:

I agree it doesn't lol...I am trying to figure out why some have hang up with Newton's play when it is obvious he deserves MVP...should not even be that close...

but something turns people off and they look to the Brady's and the Palmer's....

gotta be he plays an ugly style maybe?...not a classic pocket passer?....idk Im out of theories

How does he play "an ugly style"

Are you making stuff up, just to say something?

Newton, sits tall and stoic in the pocket with his 6'6" frame. So I see no problem there.

He's not Russell Wilson, scurrying around like field mice at the slightest hint of pressure (as yesterday, and earlier, most of the year with him), because he can't see or process the defense. Watching that multiple times in a row becomes tiresome to me, and my eyes. 

And when Newton runs, he looks good doing it most times. So I'm not sure on your choice of words.

 

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12 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

I see your point, but how does that explain the fact that Carson Palmer has been in the league for 13 years and has ZERO playoff wins?

MVP Candidate A is in the league 5 years, has a (previous) playoff win, and over 40 TDs scored.

MVP Candidate B is in the league 13 years, has zero playoff wins, and has less than 40 TDs scored.

MVP Candidate A has a "stigma".

MVP Candidate B does not.

Gosh golly gee whillikers, I wonder from whence that "stigma" could possibly be originating?

And let's not forget: Candidate B (Palmer), needed Offensive Genius, Bruce Arians to have this type of team and personal success he's currently experiencing.

And we must remember, this was after fleeing Cincinnati like a chump and a coward!

Candidate A (Newton), went to a 2-14 team, and help build that team from the ground up as a centerpiece. i think Bruce Arian's the centerpiece of Arizona, and would fine another QB to slot into that system, even if the were different than Palmer.

 

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