This won't make you happy, but I've got to do it.

[CPantherKing]

2 hours ago, ThinkAboutIt said:

... but the fact remains, Norman "started it" when he picked up Beckham and slammed him during the Giants' first possession, and you could tell Beckham was surprised by it. 

Doesn't change the fact that he lost it, but he clearly didn't enter the game planning to leave it hating Norman.

Actually, you are wrong. Beckham started it and be sure to send these frames to anyone saying otherwise.

Quick screen grabs.

1. Odell initiates a block during a running play by grasping Norman's shed arm and delivering a hay maker under the chin of Norman sending Norman backward.

2. Odell follows through with the forearm to the throat.

3. Odell throws his body up and on Norman pushing his head backward with the forearm.

4. Odell initiates a head lock on Norman with the forearm pushing on the throat of Norman and his opposite arm wrapped around the back of Norman's neck with Odell's body weight directed at the throat of Norman.

5. Odell refuses to release the choke hold on Norman.

6. Odell releases the choke hold and begins to look for the official. Norman also releases his hold with his right arm to push Odell away.

7. Odell wraps his arms around Norman locking him up while looking for the official. This traps Norman's released arm while trying to push Odell away.

8. Odell makes eye contact with official and releases his hold while leaning his body on Norman.

Then Norman tosses Odell to the ground.

So, blow to the the head, forearm to the throat, choke hold with full body weight, and then body slam.

Now I ask you, who started it?

You would need a punch count for this game to track how many times Beckham went to Norman's face, throat, chin, mouth, and temple. Odell was doing this to Finnegan as well in the game. It was definitely his game plan.

[Cj72]

Let me make sure I understand this, so pushing someone down means they get to punch, put hands in the facemask, and launch themselves into someone's head from 15 yards behind the play???

I'm glad Norman didn't kick him in the nuts because then it would have been ok if Beckham shanked him.

[tiger7_88]

4 hours ago, ThinkAboutIt said:

Beckham on Cam and Norman before the game:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-gameday/0ap3000000604830/Beckham-I-m-excited-to-see-Cam-play

Like I said in the other thread, I don't mind the fact that Norman wanted to get into Beckham's head, in fact, I think CBs should do that (within certain boundaries, of course), but the fact remains, Norman "started it" when he picked up Beckham and slammed him during the Giants' first possession, and you could tell Beckham was surprised by it. 

Doesn't change the fact that he lost it, but he clearly didn't enter the game planning to leave it hating Norman. 

Beckham would've been a Panther if he could've chosen. 

Lord have mercy...

[Woodie]

This was simply a case of two emotional and competitive players who got carried away.  The refs should have put a stop to it early.  They should have started throwing flags from the get go since everyone and their brother could see where this was heading.  And when the chippiness continued, they should have warned both coaches that the next time one of them did something, they were out of the game.  Then when it continued, Beckham should have been tossed since he was clearly the instigator.  But the refs instead sat on their hands and things got way out of control.

The biggest problem though was the spearing of Norman by Beckham.  The rest could be chalked up to over aggressiveness and too much emotion.  But what Beckham did was to intentionally try and hurt Norman.  A hit like that could have ended Josh's season, or even his career if he connected solidly enough.  It wasn't simply a football fight, it was an assault with intent to do bodily harm.  There is no place for that anywhere in football.  The fact the refs did not eject Beckham from the game is inexcusable, and the fact that Coughlin didn't pull him was just as inexcusable.  Josh was retaliating, but at no point was he trying to permanently injure Beckham.  There is a big difference in what each player did.

Josh will be fined, but Beckham should be suspended as well as being fined.  Hopefully his status as a "superstar" won't influence the NFL to allow him to play when his actions clearly warrant a suspension. 

[KendrickPanther]

I'm not going to claim I know who started any of this. But everyone knows there is a line you do not cross. Steve Smith was the best at leaning over the line and laughing. 

[B.BERSIN]

10 hours ago, ThinkAboutIt said:

 

Beckham would've been a Panther if he could've chosen. 

wut?

[Chaos]

9 hours ago, ThinkAboutIt said:

I'm calling them both out, or maybe you failed reading comprehension. 

It's pretty clear you are citing Norman as the primary instigator.  I get it, it takes two to tango, however Josh is absolved from his reactions when he's putting up with that kind of poo from a psycho diva wr with intent of injury.  

Look at your thread title dude, and don't cry when people disagree with you.

[ThinkAboutIt]

28 minutes ago, Chaos said:

It's pretty clear you are citing Norman as the primary instigator.  I get it, it takes two to tango, however Josh is absolved from his reactions when he's putting up with that kind of poo from a psycho diva wr with intent of injury.  

Look at your thread title dude, and don't cry when people disagree with you.

If your definition of "pretty clear" is "what [you] want to be the case," then believe as you wish.

[Sasquatch]

13 hours ago, ThinkAboutIt said:

Beckham on Cam and Norman before the game:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-gameday/0ap3000000604830/Beckham-I-m-excited-to-see-Cam-play

Like I said in the other thread, I don't mind the fact that Norman wanted to get into Beckham's head, in fact, I think CBs should do that (within certain boundaries, of course), but the fact remains, Norman "started it" when he picked up Beckham and slammed him during the Giants' first possession, and you could tell Beckham was surprised by it. 

Doesn't change the fact that he lost it, but he clearly didn't enter the game planning to leave it hating Norman. 

Beckham would've been a Panther if he could've chosen. 

Even before what you call a slam, Beckham appears to stick his left hand up into Josh's face> This is just prior to the "slam".

 

[ThinkAboutIt]

2 hours ago, Sasquatch said:

Even before what you call a slam, Beckham appears to stick his left hand up into Josh's face> This is just prior to the "slam".

 

Talk is talk.

Slamming is more excessive than talking.

P.S. I'm sure that wasn't the first word either of them had exchanged on that possession.

[Sasquatch]

32 minutes ago, ThinkAboutIt said:

Talk is talk.

Slamming is more excessive than talking.

P.S. I'm sure that wasn't the first word either of them had exchanged on that possession.

Beckham was sticking his hand in Norman's face repeatedly. They showed that during the game. People defend him saying Norman slammed him first. This screen capture was prior to the slam. Beckham already had his hand in Norman's face. The "slam" likely was not a response to talk.

[mc52beast]

If OBJ was surprised by Norman's aggressiveness then he didn't do his homework. And OBJ is no angel, he has been fined before for cheap shots. 

If the refs had stopped the BS early it never would have gotten so bad, I say fine and suspend the entire crew.

[CatMan72]

Norman may have started it, but Beckham crossed a line with that helmet-to-helmet hit. Willie McGuinness said security would have had to escort him off the field if someone did that to him. The fact that Norman didn't go totally ape-poo in response to that is amazing. 

[rico6]

This won't make you happy

When you start a thread with baiting hyperbole, all chances of having  'happy' feelings are automatically thrown out the window.