Cam for MVP, debunking statistical assumptions

[Peppers90 NC]

I would say there have been five games where Cam did not have to hardly even throw the ball in the 4th quarters, some games the entire second halves to accumulate extra passing yards and TDs. Russel Wilson was still throwing up 28-6 late the in the 4th quarter against a terrible Ravens team. But stats are cool and stuff.

[Peppers90 NC]

53 minutes ago, CPcavedweller said:

Thank you.

I would've assumed other's would understand the point I was trying to make. Which is that you "debunk statistical assumptions" by making other assumptions based on....absolutely nothing. 

Good bye. 

The statistical assumptions here are actual, it just takes time to notice them such as Brady and Palmer also have very good defenses that have won them games, but the argument is that only Cam benefits from a good defense. Most of your argument in this thread has been hypothetical.

[PhillyB]

1 hour ago, CPcavedweller said:

Thank you.

I would've assumed other's would understand the point I was trying to make. Which is that you "debunk statistical assumptions" by making other assumptions based on....absolutely nothing. 

Good bye. 

but they are based on something, they're based on logically-sound extrapolation of verifiable, statistically-trackable trends. maybe you're confusing terminologies or something but you're completely off here.

[goodoleboy]

I think we would still be in the playoff race to win the NCFS with DA. With the way the Saints and Falcons have melted down, our D coupled with the way Stewart has run would put us around .500 right now. Part of the reason is the NFCE is the worst division in the NFC and minus the Panthers ours is the second worse division.

[TheRumGone]

1 hour ago, cardiackat88. said:

I keep seeing this kind of stupid shyt, it was Kaep earlier in the season and now this: 

 

 

13-0

[MeatSoda]

that was an orgasmic read

[CPcavedweller]

2 hours ago, Peppers90 NC said:

The statistical assumptions here are actual, it just takes time to notice them such as Brady and Palmer also have very good defenses that have won them games, but the argument is that only Cam benefits from a good defense. Most of your argument in this thread has been hypothetical.

My argument is against one point and one point only, that we wouldn't be a playoff team without Cam. 

I have no qualms about Cam being MVP and don't doubt that he deserves it. I just don't like the way the guy started his argument in the article.

Personally, I believe the MVP's of the team are KK Short and Greg Olsen. I honestly have more faith in a Cam Newton-less Panthers with Greg Olsen than I have in a Greg Olsen-less Panthers. More than likely the reasoning is because we haven't had to see that. 

[PhillyB]

3 minutes ago, CPcavedweller said:

My argument is against one point and one point only, that we wouldn't be a playoff team without Cam. 

I have no qualms about Cam being MVP and don't doubt that he deserves it. I just don't like the way the guy started his argument in the article.

Personally, I believe the MVP's of the team are KK Short and Greg Olsen. I honestly have more faith in a Cam Newton-less Panthers with Greg Olsen than I have in a Greg Olsen-less Panthers. More than likely the reasoning is because we haven't had to see that. 

you are delusional.

[CPcavedweller]

2 hours ago, PhillyB said:

but they are based on something, they're based on logically-sound extrapolation of verifiable, statistically-trackable trends. maybe you're confusing terminologies or something but you're completely off here.

So you're tracking trends now? To tell what would happen if Anderson were to start....

These same trends that talking heads use in the beginning of the season to say we won't compete? So now we are to agree with them?

After seeing the way Anderson has played in pre-season and during regular season the games when given the chance, I am more than comfortable with his ability to lead this team. But my only qualm, as I mentioned before, is that the argument for Cam being MVP is presented with an assumption, one that cannot be backed up with any statistics from this specific team, this year.

Either way, it was pointless to even start as everyone began to assume that I meant Derek Anderson is better than Cam Newton, which he is not. 

[PhillyB]

holy goalpost shift batman!

[jdpanther5]

The schedule stuff is junk anyway. The Pats also played the AFC South, NFC East, and their own crappy division. So 14 games that are identical/comparable, with the differences being Seattle and Green Bay vs. Denver and Pittsburgh. 

[IGSaint]

Is someone really trying to argue that a Derek Anderson led team would see little drop off in offensive efficiency and wins? Jesus, talk about delusional. 

[smash_n_dash]

9 hours ago, CPcavedweller said:

The assumption that we would not be a playoff team without Cam is a fallacy in itself. That is not something that can be proven and if anything can be debunked by the fact that with Derek Anderson starting we are 2-0. There isn't any evidence to say that we lose with Anderson starting. This is one of those things that we dislike when it was said about our starter, so why would it be different for the back-up?

Cam is playing at a high level this year, but to say we aren't a playoff team without him is a dig on everyone else. The team isn't built to be QB centric and it shows in the fact that regardless of if Cam is lights out (New Orleans) or managing (Dallas) we still win. 

I would appreciate never reading the statement again, especially considering how the rest of the South is playing. 

But isn't that the point of most valuable. Out of all the people on our team, which person would be most detrimental to lose, and by losing them means we are a significantly worse team and it would show on a scoreboard. It would either be Cam or Josh Norman. I do agree with you that it's too hard to predict what effect it would have on our record if someone were removed from our team, but thats the point, its a subjective award. Perhaps the term MVP is the wrong term for the award. Maybe it should be called most popular and fun to watch player.

[stankowalski]

Cam is mvp, but I refuse to admit that we wouldn't win this division without him.  We most certainly wouldn't be undefeated, but I believe we could still hang with this division.  And the only reason I think that is because of our defense.