This offseason set us back years.

[Highlandfire]

This reeks worse than the Sean Gilbert trade.

We franchised Peppers then refused to trade him. Yeah he didn't sign his tender, because we wouldn't work with teams he wanted to go to. Hurney IMHO didn't want to trade him OR let his EGO get the best of him. No player (again IMHO) is worth 16 mill in any singular season. Peppers should have been given a long term deal or traded this offseason period.

Jakes extension. Stupid. I don't want to hear any crap about needed cap room. Trade peppers and its a non issue. Now we have compounded the downfall of this team by signing a severely declining QB (who was an above average game manager at best) to a contract guaranteeing him 20 million. No way in hell can we cut him. No way can we eat that deal. We are STUCK with Delhomme for at least 3 years.

We bring in a DC that was fired from one of the better organizations in the NFL. Why? He stunk. The 'Tampa 2' doesn't work any longer. Too easy to plan for. O Linemen are too big, too athletic these days for the smaller DT's to handle. We have a damn good MLB, but it means nothing when your DT's can't keep the big trucks off of him.

Makke goes down, and we have no realistic plan to replace him. Part of that is no cap room (see first issue with Peppers).

Now we look like a team that in all reality is going to go about 6-10 with our schedule and playing NO and Atlanta twice this year. Guess what? Further stupidity we traded away our first round pick....AGAIN! What is with the Panthers and trading away first round picks? Look at the QB talent coming out, look at the defensive talent coming out. We NEED that first rounder this next year..but no its gone.

Then to top it all off, the Richardson boys can't get along so JR has to punt kick them.

I love this team and I will never jump ship, but I am a realist and reality is...we are not going to have a very good season but even worse, The future isn't going to get much better. The moves or lack of moves this offseason have set this team back for maybe two more years. The Jake move was the worst of all.

We can only pray with an uncapped year someone will pony up a couple firsts for Peppers this offseason not afraid to pay him the 100 mill he will want. Hopefully we can also fire Meeks, get Makke back, bring in another Huge DT to play beside him and maybe post a winning record next year.

[pantherclaw]

You are completely off the mark.

Peppers proved to be the best player on the field wearing a Panther jersey.

Worth retaining.

[Highlandfire]

You are completely off the mark.

Peppers proved to be the best player on the field wearing a Panther jersey.

Worth retaining.

One Single player does not make this TEAM a winner. That said, nice job ignoring the rest of the post.

[pantherclaw]

You are right, one player doesn't make a team a winner, but getting rid of your best defensive lineman, when there aren't any other ones worth mentioning (please don't bring up potential) doesn't make a team a winner either.

I ignored the rest of the post cause of how you started your post.

You don't like it? Get over it.

[unicar15]

Keeping Peppers is not where we went wrong.

This is a long season but if Jake continues to implode like he has the last 8 quarters then our biggest mistake will be trading up to get Everette Brown. Not that the guy isn't talented and I don't want him. But our FO should have been smart enough to look and see that we play the toughest schedule in the NFL with a QB that might have been mentally damaged for the rest of his career. That Arizona game could have permanently screwed him up. We should have kept that draft pick and thought about MAYBE addressing the QB position this year.

Every Panther fan I know only has one problem with the people running this organization and that is the fact that we NEVER attempt to address a backup for Jake. Those that think Moore is a capable heir are wrong. He couldn't even mount a drive against the Eagle's backups yesterday.

Think about this. Since 2003 the only team that has done less in the way of finding talent at the QB position has been the Indianapolis Colts. Its not like we have Peyton Manning back there. We have a QB that is at best a game manager and at worst a guy that is going to lose the game for us. When he is managing the game we are one of the best teams in the NFL. But he has a tendency to implode and the fact that we aren't taking steps to try and remedy that problem is exactly why we won't be a super bowl team this year.

[jpniner]

You are completely off the mark.

Peppers proved to be the best player on the field wearing a Panther jersey.

Worth retaining.

he did good, yet to see if he brings that 16 games in a row though.

Then of course, given the cap, is he worth $17 Million vs. $17 Million worth of Defensive Free Agents?

[bLACKpANTHER]

Solution: Franchise Peppers again and trade him to New England for a 1st rounder and get a QB or DT

but i dont trust Fox and CO. to pick out a real NFL QB.. ughh

bP=frustrated

[Highlandfire]

he did good, yet to see if he brings that 16 games in a row though.

Then of course, given the cap, is he worth $17 Million vs. $17 Million worth of Defensive Free Agents?

That is several players. Who did we bring in to replace makke? Oh that's right, we couldn't try to trade for someone of quality because we have no cap room and have already lost our first rounder for this next year.

[pantherclaw]

Jakes extension. Stupid. I don't want to hear any crap about needed cap room. Trade peppers and its a non issue. Now we have compounded the downfall of this team by signing a severely declining QB (who was an above average game manager at best) to a contract guaranteeing him 20 million. No way in hell can we cut him. No way can we eat that deal. We are STUCK with Delhomme for at least 3 years.

Jake did need an extension regardless to help the team save some money. It's amazing how many people blame Peppers and only Peppers for our salery situation, but he isn't the only player eating up money. When a team has every intention of retaining a player, you have to find othere avenues to save money. Do I agree with the contract numbers Jake got? No, but it doesn't make him uncutable by any means. In fact, most of his bonus that comes with the new contract, he hasn't gotten yet.

We bring in a DC that was fired from one of the better organizations in the NFL. Why? He stunk. The 'Tampa 2' doesn't work any longer. Too easy to plan for. O Linemen are too big, too athletic these days for the smaller DT's to handle. We have a damn good MLB, but it means nothing when your DT's can't keep the big trucks off of him.

Makke goes down, and we have no realistic plan to replace him. Part of that is no cap room (see first issue with Peppers).

Meeks defenses were pretty good actually. Do I agree with a smallish DT? No, but that wasn't his doing. Nobody saw Kemo going down. I don't care what anybody says, but you don't have multiple DT's like that just sitting around on a team. People constantly undervalued Kemo, and now they finially know just how valuable he was. People say he was overpaid. Seems to me his contract was worth every penny. It does suck about out depth at DT, but at some point, you have to give the young guys the chance to play. At least they aren't ignoring the problem. They have brought people in, and are doing what they can at the position. Defense is also where we've been suffering injury, but I see you have no problem blaming it on the new DC. That's awesome.

Then to top it all off, the Richardson boys can't get along so JR has to punt kick them.

Please tell me what the boys have done that made this even relevent?

[Highlandfire]

You are right, one player doesn't make a team a winner, but getting rid of your best defensive lineman, when there aren't any other ones worth mentioning (please don't bring up potential) doesn't make a team a winner either.

I ignored the rest of the post cause of how you started your post.

You don't like it? Get over it.

I see mature, objective discussion is not possible with you. I will know to ignore your posts from now on.

[pantherclaw]

he did good, yet to see if he brings that 16 games in a row though.

Then of course, given the cap, is he worth $17 Million vs. $17 Million worth of Defensive Free Agents?

Once again, you prove to not have a clue. The value of the contract doesn't matter. The market sets that value. Do I agree with the high value? No, but I also know that it is what it is in the NFL. That is the cost of retaining one of the best DE's in the game. Move on already.

[pantherclaw]

I see mature, objective discussion is not possible with you. I will know to ignore your posts from now on.

Please tell me how my response is immature? Go ahead, ignore me. All you do is post out of your ass anyways.

[joemac]

[CRA]

Jake did need an extension regardless to help the team save some money. It's amazing how many people blame Peppers and only Peppers for our salery situation, but he isn't the only player eating up money. When a team has every intention of retaining a player, you have to find othere avenues to save money. Do I agree with the contract numbers Jake got? No, but it doesn't make him uncutable by any means. In fact, most of his bonus that comes with the new contract, he hasn't gotten yet.

Meeks defenses were pretty good actually. Do I agree with a smallish DT? No, but that wasn't his doing. Nobody saw Kemo going down. I don't care what anybody says, but you don't have multiple DT's like that just sitting around on a team. People constantly undervalued Kemo, and now they finially know just how valuable he was. People say he was overpaid. Seems to me his contract was worth every penny. It does suck about out depth at DT, but at some point, you have to give the young guys the chance to play. At least they aren't ignoring the problem. They have brought people in, and are doing what they can at the position. Defense is also where we've been suffering injury, but I see you have no problem blaming it on the new DC. That's awesome.

Please tell me what the boys have done that made this even relevent?

statistically they were pretty good. Ask in Indy fan and they will tell you Meeks wasn't very good.