knowing everything you know now, who and when would you have replaced jake

[Fiz]

Still waiting to here why Rodgers over Davis would have been a bad idea.

at the time, it was unrealistic to draft a QB, especially when the panthers felt (and rightly so) they were just a few players away from a super bowl. in retrospect yeah it'd be nice but it doesn't take into consideration the circumstances surrounding the pick.

or Trent Edwards over Charles Johnson

charles johnson is going to be the starter next year and looks like a pretty good player.

it's kinda silly to want to get of johnson when you potentially have another edwards sitting on the bench.

[Miaoww]

They're not as hard to come by as you might think. It's just that most teams screw them up royally.

Right now Aaron Rodgers is one of the top 10 QBs in the league. What if they had thrown him out there as a rookie? He'd be out of the game by now.

The quarterback position is really unlike anything else in sports. You nab one who has all the tools, and then you teach him your system in the film room and on the practice field, because he won't learn anything on his back.

Trust me, I know. Lifelong Rams fan. It wasn't until Warner came along that we even had a guy that lasted more than three or four years.

How much of that was down to the system Martz used? Did you ever leave more than five to block the pass rush? Your QBs used to get abused!

That said, yes I'm of the opinion that a rookie QB should almost never start their first season - not unless they're an exceptional case, or of course they look ready in practice towards the end of a lost season.

[chbright]

derek anderson instead of joe berger in the 6th round of the 05 draft. lol

hell anderson was waived by balt in 05, teams had a shot at him then. at the time we had no need. (drafted lefors before him, lefors was our "future").

fiz nailed it, its been a crap shoot on replacing him with the cap issues, and we have drafted very well in the 1st round every year.

[pantheresquire]

Aaron Rodgers, like Fiz said, wasn't drafted for the same reason we didn't draft Big Ben in 2004; no one thought we'd need him. Strangely enough, in 2005 we did pass on Cassell and Derek Anderson. Oh to go back in time...

I do think we should have drafted Flacco instead of either Otah or Stewart. I seem to remember at the time thinking we needed O-line much worse than RB and we clearly had problems at QB following Delhomme's injury and Carr's miserable performance. So maybe we should have drafted Flacco and Otah in the '08 Draft.

However, if you don't think Jerry Richardson doesn't remember the Kerry Collins debacle and that doesn't influence when we draft QB's I think you're crazy.

[CarolinaSock]

at the time, it was unrealistic to draft a QB, especially when the panthers felt (and rightly so) they were just a few players away from a super bowl. in retrospect yeah it'd be nice but it doesn't take into consideration the circumstances surrounding the pick.

charles johnson is going to be the starter next year and looks like a pretty good player.

it's kinda silly to want to get of johnson when you potentially have another edwards sitting on the bench.

Davis wasn't much of a factor in 2005. If the front office makes the right choice in 2006 (Witherspoon over Morgan) you still have a very good weakside linebacker and a very good qb prospect. Why would it be unrealistic to draft a young qb to groom behind a decent but not great 30 year old qb?

[Fiz]

Why would it be unrealistic to draft a young qb to groom behind a decent but not great 30 year old qb?

hmm well we might just be one player away from a team that can win the super bowl

better draft a player that won't help us at all

[Matt Foley]

hmm well we might just be one player away from a team that can win the super bowl

better draft a player that won't help us at all

That's exactly how they viewed it. Now, in hindsight, were they right?

[KillerKat]

Jake's crappy 2006 season and injuries, as well as the 2007 season where he was gone most of the season should have, oh I don't know, maybe sparked an interest in a QB in the 2008 draft, considering we could have had Flacco and Otah easily.

Well if Flacco and Otah were an option, then I change my assessment. I'd much rather have this option instead of Flacco and Forte. Our RBs wouldve been Williams, Birmingham (who has always shown promise), and Goings (eek). Yeah we wouldnt have Stewart, but we would be much even offense. Then this year it would be Williams, Goodson, Birmingham at RB with Flacco at the helm and Otah still at RT. We wouldnt have any glaring weaknesses on offense at all.

[Fiz]

That's exactly how they viewed it. Now, in hindsight, were they right?

they went to the nfc championship game in 2005 and would have likely gone to the super bowl if half the team hadn't gotten injured against chicago.

only someone arguing in bad faith would trade making your team as good as you can for a potential super bowl run for possible QB security from a tedford Pac 10 QB tumbling down the draft boards.

[pantheresquire]

they went to the nfc championship game in 2005 and would have likely gone to the super bowl if half the team hadn't gotten injured against chicago.

only someone arguing in bad faith would trade making your team as good as you can for a potential super bowl run for possible QB security from a tedford Pac 10 QB tumbling down the draft boards.

That makes perfect sense for not drafting Rodgers in the 2005 Draft but surely we had reason to be concerned about the future at the QB position for the 2008 Draft.

[Fiz]

That makes perfect sense for not drafting Rodgers in the 2005 Draft but surely we had reason to be concerned about the future at the QB position for the 2008 Draft.

sure, but flacco was no sure thing. he was a project QB from a D2 school who was drafted by a team who developed him much better than the panthers would have.

everyone knew that 2010 was going to be the year for QBs, much like 2004. the real mistake was them trading away their first this year.

[Matt Foley]

they went to the nfc championship game in 2005 and would have likely gone to the super bowl if half the team hadn't gotten injured against chicago.

only someone arguing in bad faith would trade making your team as good as you can for a potential super bowl run for possible QB security from a tedford Pac 10 QB tumbling down the draft boards.

What year are you talking about? They thought they were one player away in 2005 and gave the farm away to Wahle and Lucas. My personal feeling is that didn't set well with a lot of players in that locker room. The team wasn't nearly as close as it had been in Fox's first three years. A lot of locker room sniping going on. But they put it together in the playoffs in a weak NFC. How weak? The AFC's sixth-seeded team was favored over the NFC's top seed in the Super Bowl.

Delhomme is what he is....a backup for six years who didn't complain and was patient and got his chance and did the job. But he was never a guy who could go out and beat the best for you. Even in the Super Bowl season, they beat Tampa Bay in Tampa (the game that I think established the team as a contender) with Jake having a 14 rating or something like that. And he only attempted 14 passes against Philly in the NFCG.

To think you could milk 10 years out of him was a mistake. The front office got a lot of things right over Fox's reign. Not finding a suitable backup for Jake, one who could win playoff games once ready, was not one of them.

[goodlay]

hmm well we might just be one player away from a team that can win the super bowl

better draft a player that won't help us at all

That's exactly the problem with Hurney and Fox after a good season, and that's why we're terribly inconsistent year in and year out.

[pantheresquire]

everyone knew that 2010 was going to be the year for QBs, much like 2004. the real mistake was them trading away their first this year.

This is the part that's bothered me the most. Prior to this year's draft I didn't really expect much from Jake this year but thought if we had a bad year we'd get Bradford or McCoy. But then they traded it away and the Jake show continued where it left off last year. So I don't what we're going to do now.

In reference to Flacco I thought some people were starting to really push him as a legit option, and not just a work in progress, because of the success of Big Ben coming out of a D2 school. Am I wrong here?