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PhillyB

By PhillyB,
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3 hours ago, Floppin said:

To the best of my knowledge, the only rule concerning helmet contact on runners outside of the tackle box was the one initiated in 2013. This rule made it illegal to initiate contact with the crown of your helmet (the top of the helmet) by either the ball carrier (runners who lower their head into contact) or the defender. Here's an article from PFT concerning this rule change from 2013:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/20/new-helmet-use-rule-is-more-narrow-limited-than-believed/

Helmet to helmet contact is illegal when tackling a quarterback while between the tackles and on a defenseless player, ie receivers and returners in the process of making their respective catches. It's not, to the best of my knowledge, illegal to make helmet to helmet contact against runners, unless one or both players initiate the contact with the crown of their helmet. 

 

Use to be, it was called spearing (leading with the crown of the helmet) so if you can think of this hit that way, it wasn't illegal, draw all the lines you want to. I can guarantee that (1) Cam will now be sure he is aware of where everyone is on the field when he takes off running and (2) Cam respects the hell out of that LB'r for that hit. That was a Thomas Davis Sr. type of hit that he hadn't felt before.

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24 minutes ago, GRWatcher said:

Use to be, it was called spearing (leading with the crown of the helmet) so if you can think of this hit that way, it wasn't illegal, draw all the lines you want to. I can guarantee that (1) Cam will now be sure he is aware of where everyone is on the field when he takes off running and (2) Cam respects the hell out of that LB'r for that hit. That was a Thomas Davis Sr. type of hit that he hadn't felt before.

Yeah, perhaps I wasn't clear. I know that spearing was always a rule, the only update was that it became illegal for the runner to do so as well. The point that I was trying to make was that there is no direct rule regarding helmet to helmet contact with a runner besides leading with the crown of the helmet, which although not a rule specifically for helmet to helmet contact, can potentially be applied as such under the right circumstances.

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5 hours ago, saints4lifeagain said:

I stand by my assertion. This isn't a guy hitting a receiver. This is a guy trying to keep a runner from scoring. How else does he keep him out of the end zone? It's just as illegal for a runner to lower his head into a defender as it is for a defender to lower his head into the runner. So who's to blame here?

Headhunter comments are ridiculous though. These guys are playing football. If this was a running back no one is saying a thing. But it's the QB, who weighs the same as the guy hitting him, so he's head hunting.

I would have been. For sure. Even if it was incidental, if the league is serious about preventing concussions, that kind of play deserves a penalty. Lower your shoulder instead. Your LB lead with his helmet, that should be illegal if it isnt. But I'm pretty sure it already is considered targeting. 

I'm not going to argue with you. Maybe Cam shouldn't have lowered his head. But that didn't give ya boy the right to lead with his.

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No matter how you cut it that was an intentional hit to Cam's head. Saints defender was actually trying to launch himself higher, but tries to adjust and lower as Cam goes to the ground. He leaves his feet at full speed, leads with the crown of his helmet, and throws an open palmed blow at the helmet of Cam as well. There is no driving, lowering the shoulder, or wrapping up involved with that tackle.

That is a text book intentional illegal hit. Chuck Cecil was notorious for that type of hit back in the day.

Does not surprise me. The Saints defenders were head hunting most of the game on Stewart, Olsen, and Cam. They were even ankle locking and body rolling on the Panthers offensive players.

During that same play a Saints defensive player delivered a forearm blow to the back of Olsen's helmet in the end zone. This is also an illegal hit.

It is always expected with the a Sean Payton led team. We all know the coaches that employ these dirty tactics to win.

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I was walking from Shelbys in Denver to another bar during halftime when I noticed there was a Saints bar. And of course all of them were outside smoking, I made the comment that I don't remember this being a Saints bar before 2006. They didn't say anything because I was wearing my KK jersey and they knew I was a bad ass

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1 hour ago, PandaPancake said:

I was walking from Shelbys in Denver to another bar during halftime when I noticed there was a Saints bar. And of course all of them were outside smoking, I made the comment that I don't remember this being a Saints bar before 2006. They didn't say anything because I was wearing my KK jersey and they knew I was a bad ass

Shelby's was no good?

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Cam admitted it was hit fault for slowing down and not being more vigilant of who was around him.  It did not appear intentional and isnt that different from many hits that Luke or Davis put on other team's players.  He should have seen him coming and either tried to avoid him by diving or go out of bounds.  He is too valuable to be going head to head with defenders.

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