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Floppin Grand Master

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22 minutes ago, SZ James (banned) said:

Please cite your work. I can't find the rule where you can use your helmet to tackle the other guy's head.

To the best of my knowledge, the only rule concerning helmet contact on runners outside of the tackle box was the one initiated in 2013. This rule made it illegal to initiate contact with the crown of your helmet (the top of the helmet) by either the ball carrier (runners who lower their head into contact) or the defender. Here's an article from PFT concerning this rule change from 2013:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/20/new-helmet-use-rule-is-more-narrow-limited-than-believed/

Helmet to helmet contact is illegal when tackling a quarterback while between the tackles and on a defenseless player, ie receivers and returners in the process of making their respective catches. It's not, to the best of my knowledge, illegal to make helmet to helmet contact against runners, unless one or both players initiate the contact with the crown of their helmet. 

 

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Floppin Grand Master

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12 minutes ago, SZ James (banned) said:

If cam didn't duck he still would have hit him in the head, even more squarely. Watch closer and pause it if you have to. We can draw lines if you still can't visualize it. Can we stop blaming the victim?

The dude was headhunting, period.

Just to be clear, I'm not arguing that the saints player wasn't headhunting, or not trying to make unnecessary contact with Cam's head - because he clearly was. It was a dirty play, but not illegal, strictly speaking. 

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4 minutes ago, UpstatePanther said:

This didn't end well for you did it?

I stand by my assertion. This isn't a guy hitting a receiver. This is a guy trying to keep a runner from scoring. How else does he keep him out of the end zone? It's just as illegal for a runner to lower his head into a defender as it is for a defender to lower his head into the runner. So who's to blame here?

Headhunter comments are ridiculous though. These guys are playing football. If this was a running back no one is saying a thing. But it's the QB, who weighs the same as the guy hitting him, so he's head hunting.

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The hit was legal. This is not frisbee, it's footbal. Cam was a runner. Don't want anyone hurt obviously. But if roles were reversed, I would like to see our LB do the same

I was actually briefly mad at Cam for strolling in watching it live, but looks in the replay that Cam didn't see him. That was a nice lick tho and Cam is a big dude, I'd give 'em that.

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11 minutes ago, Floppin said:

To the best of my knowledge, the only rule concerning helmet contact on runners outside of the tackle box was the one initiated in 2013. This rule made it illegal to initiate contact with the crown of your helmet (the top of the helmet) by either the ball carrier (runners who lower their head into contact) or the defender. Here's an article from PFT concerning this rule change from 2013:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/20/new-helmet-use-rule-is-more-narrow-limited-than-believed/

Helmet to helmet contact is illegal when tackling a quarterback while between the tackles and on a defenseless player, ie receivers and returners in the process of making their respective catches. It's not, to the best of my knowledge, illegal to make helmet to helmet contact against runners, unless one or both players initiate the contact with the crown of their helmet. 

 

All this says to me is that a running back or in this case Cam, cannot be the one to initiate contact with his helmet. In other words Cam can't ram the other guy with his helmet. Does it look like that's what he was doing? Cam was trying to duck the guy that just launched himself at him. 

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6 minutes ago, SZ James (banned) said:

All this says to me is that a running back or in this case Cam, cannot be the one to initiate contact with his helmet. In other words Cam can't ram the other guy with his helmet. Does it look like that's what he was doing? Cam was trying to duck the guy that just launched himself at him. 

Lol. First Cams a victim and now this?

This is football buttercup. There are no victims. If Cam wouldn't have slowed down and been taunting, Mauti wouldn't have gotten close to him. He's trying to duck the guy that "launched himself at him"? He's bracing for a hit because he knew he fugged up. 

Clearly, it's ok for Cam to duck his head and his shoulder but it's not ok for the defender to.

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After reading that thread, I have completely lost respect for that fanbase. I barely had any to begin with, but that is just a new low.

And then guy wants to claim that when they started 13-0, they blew everyone out.. no, you didnt. you barely won the 12th game and the 13th game before losing the last 3. fug that fanbase. sorry saints4life, you don't seem so bad.. but the rest of them are horrible

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1 minute ago, uncfan888 said:

After reading that thread, I have completely lost respect for that fanbase. I barely had any to begin with, but that is just a new low.

And then guy wants to claim that when they started 13-0, they blew everyone out.. no, you didnt. you barely won the 12th game and the 13th game before losing the last 3. fug that fanbase. sorry saints4life, you don't seem so bad.. but the rest of them are horrible

Eh. A lot of tasteless comments in that thread. A lot of tasteless fans who cheered when he got hurt last year. 

I'm not always proud of my fanbase.

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23 minutes ago, SZ James (banned) said:

All this says to me is that a running back or in this case Cam, cannot be the one to initiate contact with his helmet. In other words Cam can't ram the other guy with his helmet. Does it look like that's what he was doing? Cam was trying to duck the guy that just launched himself at him. 

What? I never said that he did, all that I ever said was that the hit was not an illegal hit as many have tried to say. According to what I understand about legal helmet contact to runners, the play by the saints player was within the rules. That doesn't exonerate him from being a douchebag, and I never claimed it did.

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2 hours ago, MadHatter said:

No one said it wasn't.....just that your worthless fans like to celebrate trying to hurt another player.  Oh wait....that is was your franchise will forever be known for.

You took your best shot on him....just to watch him get up and proceed to rape your team with no lube.

Go back to the bayou you swamprat.

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3 minutes ago, Floppin said:

What? I never said that he did, all that I ever said was that the hit was not an illegal hit as many have tried to say. According to what I understand about legal helmet contact to runners, the play by the saints player was within the rules. That doesn't exonerate him from being a douchebag, and I never claimed it did.

He's a douchebag...for a legal hit?

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