Is anyone worried Stew might get burnt out?

[ShutDwn]

1 hour ago, CPcavedweller said:

In the NFL, you have to be able to drive the ball to win games. If you can't possess the ball for long periods of time, more often than not you will lose. I was actually encouraged by the first quarter of the Redskins game simply because they couldn't drive the ball and they wouldn't continue hitting home run plays. You don't need a home run threat in the running game. You need a battering ram. With a smaller back, the defense could rush 4 and know that he can be brought down by one person. Stewart always requires more than one tackler and if its a defensive back on the edge, he is almost always going to throw them to the ground. A speed rusher will get hit for a loss and thats not a formula for winning. 

a RB doesn't have to be small to have speed to rip off huge gains and adding a home run threat to the run game would be scary. Not sure why you're acting like it's not needed.

Having players that can blow games open is great and the one missing piece to our offense.

[CPcavedweller]

23 minutes ago, Leeroy Jenkins PhD said:

The joys of having Tolbert at fullback and Cam at QB is that teams will still have to account for their ability to run the ball.  This kind of negates your point.

Actually, you missed the point. I never said that we didn't have to run the ball. I said we don't have to have a guy that will break off 80 yard runs weekly. Two guys in this league that are capable of doing that week after week are Adrian Peterson and Todd Gurley. Generational types that are drafted. I'm simply saying that to bench Stew in favor of a "home run" threat is a terrible idea. 

[CPcavedweller]

7 minutes ago, ShutDwn said:

a RB doesn't have to be small to have speed to rip off huge gains and adding a home run threat to the run game would be scary. Not sure why you're acting like it's not needed.

Having players that can blow games open is great and the one missing piece to our offense.

So winning 44-16 and 33-14 is too close for you? We are averaging almost 30 points and game, and with the style of offense we run, we stay with the same personnel and style of runners to not give away any tendencies. Having two guys with similar running styles keeps our playcalling unpredictable. If Fozzy is in the game, it is almost always going to be a screen pass or he is going out in the pattern.

With Stewart or Tolbert in, you have the full playbook at your disposal. So if I have to weigh the odds of having a guy who might break off one long run once every 5 weeks, versus a guy will will grind out 20-25 carries a week for 70 to 125 yards, I'll take the grinder and element of surprise. 

[ShutDwn]

9 minutes ago, CPcavedweller said:

So winning 44-16 and 33-14 is too close for you? We are averaging almost 30 points and game, and with the style of offense we run, we stay with the same personnel and style of runners to not give away any tendencies. Having two guys with similar running styles keeps our playcalling unpredictable. If Fozzy is in the game, it is almost always going to be a screen pass or he is going out in the pattern.

With Stewart or Tolbert in, you have the full playbook at your disposal. So if I have to weigh the odds of having a guy who might break off one long run once every 5 weeks, versus a guy will will grind out 20-25 carries a week for 70 to 125 yards, I'll take the grinder and element of surprise. 

You're using two games as your sample size and Fozzy Whitaker as your alternative...

Stewart is doing really well but chunk plays are always helpful.

You do realize that Stewart YPC is 3.9 and the lowest of the leading 12 RBs, right? Know why? Because he has the shortest "long" of all top 12 at 36 yards and because he also only has 2 runs over 20 yards, nobody has less than three in the top 18 rushers.

There's no world where Stew being faster and ripping off a big gain here and there wouldn't be great. 

 

[CPcavedweller]

Just now, ShutDwn said:

You're using two games as your sample size and Fozzy Whitaker as your alternative...

Stewart is doing really well but chunk plays are always helpful.

You do realize that Stewart YPC is 3.9 and the lowest of the leading 12 RBs, right? Know why? Because he has the shortest "long" of all top 12 at 36 yards and because he also only has 2 runs over 20 yards, nobody has less than three in the top 18 rushers.

There's no world where Stew being faster and ripping off a big gain here and there wouldn't be great. 

 

He's also ranked at the top of forced missed tackles. That tells you that within that 3.9 ypc, he is being hit early at the line. That can fall in one of two places, he isn't hitting the correct hole, or there isn't a hole. So you want a guy as big as Stew but faster and will break those long runs? Maybe the play isn't there to be made. Also, as I mentioned, there are only two runners like that in the NFL, Adrian Peterson, and Todd Gurley. You're asking for a Madden type switch or pick-up that just isn't feasible. 

To wish is one thing, but to expect it is another. 

[nosuchthingasapanther]

because of Stewart's ability to consistently grind out tough yards, people overlook the suspect run blocking that has plagued the offense all season long.

it's the reason why his ypc is average and the reason why you won't see CAP or wegher get more touches.

[Oldschool Leroy]

18 hours ago, stankowalski said:

Dude rode a bike for 3 straight years, he's in great shape.

With a little sense of humor, this is really funny. I don't care who you are! Oh and being 11-0 ought to make everyone happy. Still my favorite play of his so far was that block when he turned Vilma for a flip. That was beautiful and worth a mention during saints week.

[CRA]

16 minutes ago, nosuchthingasapanther said:

because of Stewart's ability to consistently grind out tough yards, people overlook the suspect run blocking that has plagued the offense all season long.

it's the reason why his ypc is average and the reason why you won't see CAP or wegher get more touches.

Stewart is easily the 2nd most important person on offense for that reason.  He makes his own yards.

[LA_Panther]

I was thinking the same thing the past couple of weeks

He's got the 2nd most carries in the league (211) and is averaging 3.9 yrd/game which is 31st in the league. So, I'd say he'd getting beat up out there, but he's giving us the hard small yards that's for sure. 

Got a feeling he will start breaking the long yards soon...Ehhemmm...saints defense...ehhemmm

[CLG]

I'd just like us to use Tolbert more. It seems like he gets looks every other week. 

[EightyNine]

6 hours ago, Leeroy Jenkins PhD said:

I would not be upset if Rivera took Stewart out after the 1st quarter to see what CAP or Wegher paired with Tolbert could do as the primary backs. 

 

IMO, we should be using a faster back as the primary, and Stewart as the wrecking ball closer.  We lack explosiveness in the run game at this point.  Stewart runs hard, but he isn't going to break a long one.  Just doesn't have the high end speed.  

Stewart is so good at wearing down the defense though..  I dont want to lose that. When he gets enough touches, i dont think defenses want to tackle him in the 4th quarter.  I want that to be part of our identity.

[Day_One]

hes gonna have to limit his carries this next few weeks.  plain and simple.  other guys need to carry the load

 

[ShutDwn]

1 hour ago, CPcavedweller said:

He's also ranked at the top of forced missed tackles. That tells you that within that 3.9 ypc, he is being hit early at the line. That can fall in one of two places, he isn't hitting the correct hole, or there isn't a hole. So you want a guy as big as Stew but faster and will break those long runs? Maybe the play isn't there to be made. Also, as I mentioned, there are only two runners like that in the NFL, Adrian Peterson, and Todd Gurley. You're asking for a Madden type switch or pick-up that just isn't feasible. 

To wish is one thing, but to expect it is another. 

God you're thick and you jump threw hypothetical hoops non-stop. What a combination.

Yes, Stewart is good at breaking tackles and it'd be great to get him to the next level easier but he's never going to outrun DBs for 80 yards.

It's like you blacked out for the last 10 years that we had a RB that had home run speed and set records for TDs of 30+ yards. DeAngelo's problem was a shitty line and not being motivated. The talent was always there. Look at him now, half the attempts as Stew and twice as many 20+ yard runs and likely going to have his best year as a receiver.

Stew deals body blows and he's one of the best at it, but it'd be nice if we had a complimentary RB that could deliver a knock out punch out of nowhere.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins PhD]

40 minutes ago, EightyNine said:

Stewart is so good at wearing down the defense though..  I dont want to lose that. When he gets enough touches, i dont think defenses want to tackle him in the 4th quarter.  I want that to be part of our identity.

I agree, but I think that skill set would be more important for our playoff run.