Panthers Fan Gets Choked By Security, Thrown Out Of Game For “Cheering”

[Montsta]

23 minutes ago, JakeR6 said:

And what was he doing for security to be called in the first place? I highly doubt they just walked down there and jumped him for no reason. 

Dude could've been fighting fans or even swung at the security guard, but the video starts right as the security guard restrains him and everyone grabs their pitchforks. 

Burn the authority now and ask questions later- or never!

Even police aren't supposed to use choke holds, and they are real authority figures. Security Guards are a complete joke and should be doing little more than diffusing a situation until actual authorities arrive. 

That security guard should be fired immediately and consider himself lucky that he doesn't get criminal charges against him. 

[panik]

Just now, GRWatcher said:

I was just going to mention that it probably isn't a true story. There's this too: http://dailysnark.com/outraged-mother-writes-letter-cam-newton-td-passes-offensive/

Website is, after all, dailySNARK"dot"com. Saw reference to Total Pro Sports, "The Lighter Side of Sports"

 

You might be right, I mean yeah I wasn't there so I can't tell what really happened, but the video clearly shows that the security guard acted wrong.

[panik]

1 minute ago, Montsta said:

Even police aren't supposed to use choke holds, and they are real authority figures. Security Guards are a complete joke and should be doing little more than diffusing a situation until actual authorities arrive. 

That security guard should be fired immediately and consider himself lucky that he doesn't get criminal charges against him. 

That was my point, even police officers have been charged by using choke holds which are deemed as illegal by the law. I really hope the fan presses charges and sue the Cowboys organization.

[panik]

8 minutes ago, JakeR6 said:

Carotid Restraint, vascular neck restraint or whatever you wanna call it is not deadly force. That's hilarious if you seriously believe that. 

Stabbing him in the throat with a Ka-Bar would've been deadly force. 

Restraining him was a nonlethal method of making him comply. 

 

Well, if a 3rd rate website trying to generate web traffic said so it must be true. After all, everything on the internet is factual! Right? 

http://247sports.com/Bolt/WATCH-Cam-Newton-dabs-in-the-stands-after-a-LeBron-James-dunk-41447776

Kinda like this article stating "Cam Newton dabs in the stands after a LeBron James dunk." The video is edited to show the dunk then Cam dancing while the audio never switches from the LeBron dunk, making it look like Cam is celebrating the dunk by LeBron. But in reality that clip of Cam occurred 5 minutes later during a timeout when they were playing music and showing him on the big screen. But if they say so it must be true! 

 

You are going to excuse me but you are lacking knowledge about how this works. I'm going to talk to you from a Police officer perspective. We under no circumstances are allowed to use choking as measure to restrain anyone for various reasons, it is very simple to go from restrain to make someone lose consciousness, without previous knowledge of the suspect medical history you could be dealing with someone who has asthma or other respiratory complications which can cause death. 

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/01/justice/new-york-choke-hold-death

Just a reminder of a previous case.

[TheRumGone]

Lol @ that response spidermonkey/batman/jake

 

 

[panik]

17 minutes ago, JakeR6 said:

Policies of law enforcement agencies have absolutely nothing to do with scientific research, or more specifically in this case stadium security personnel.  

An NFL stadium is private property. It's not a public venue. Stadium security personnel are not cops, they are employed by the stadium not the public or a government agency. They don't play by the same rules. Read the TOS or stadium policy printed on a game ticket or on a team website. They can remove whoever the hell they want and they don't need the police to do it. It's no different than a homeowner forcibly removing an unwelcome guest from their home. 

And for the record, most police departments still use those restraint methods. There are just a few, most notably the LAPD and NYPD, that have banned them because of the pitchfork mentality of uneducated citizens. 

The findings of doctors and researchers emphatically refute assertions that vascular neck restraints are inherently dangerous and potentially
lethal.

http://www.gracieacademy.com/news/carotid-restraint-deadly-force-or-not.asp

Eric Garner died because he was vastly overweight and had numerous health issues. That's also one person. People have died after being pepper sprayed due to allergic reactions. Are you gonna argue pepper spray is "deadly force" also? 

There is no worst blind that the one who does not wishes to see. I'm not gonna argue with you anymore.

[Icebox]

Cowboys fans clearly lying there. It makes no sense for a panthers fan to be throwing anything on the field during that game. What was there to be upset about? Luke not taking his second INT to the house? Winning by less than 20 points?

[Oldmanrivera]

1 hour ago, JakeR6 said:

And what was he doing for security to be called in the first place? I highly doubt they just walked down there and jumped him for no reason. 

Dude could've been fighting fans or even swung at the security guard, but the video starts right as the security guard restrains him and everyone grabs their pitchforks. 

Burn the authority now and ask questions later- or never!

Jesus you're one of those guys

[RJK]

lol at deadly force

[USCGuardsman]

23 minutes ago, JakeR6 said:

Policies of law enforcement agencies have absolutely nothing to do with scientific research, or more specifically in this case stadium security personnel.  

An NFL stadium is private property. It's not a public venue. Stadium security personnel are not cops, they are employed by the stadium not the public or a government agency. They don't play by the same rules. Read the TOS or stadium policy printed on a game ticket or on a team website. They can remove whoever the hell they want and they don't need the police to do it. It's no different than a homeowner forcibly removing an unwelcome guest from their home. 

 

Jake, I feel like you're a bit off on this one. The fact that this is private property does not give the right for someone, employed by or the owner of said property to "assault" anyone. The same thing  that applies to Joe Public, would apply to a hired hand at a private venue. You may ask or encourage the individual to leave, but if they refuse your next move is to request assistance from the police. Now, if said unwelcomed guest becomes combative and you have a need to defend yourself, then its game on... entirely different story. Just like a Bouncer at a bar cannot physically remove you, they do not have this authority. They must request Law Enforcement for assistance. Problem there however, is usually the drunk becomes an ass and forces the bouncer to "defend" himself.

[USCGuardsman]

1 minute ago, JakeR6 said:

And that's why I said in my first reply it would be nice to see video evidence of what happened leading up to that altercation. The video doesn't start until the security guard has him restrained.

Maybe the guy was doing literally nothing wrong. Maybe he punched someone in the face. Nobody knows. But everyone has no problem grabbing their pitchforks and blabbering about how the security guard should be fired, sued, choked out, etc.

Such is the mob mentality of the self serving social media generation. 

That's true, it's all about perspective and we do not know the entire story. Often the finger is pointed in the wrong direction and it's complete bullsheet. However, in this scenario witness accounts do support him as being non-combative. This is one reason why I support body Cams for personnel who could find themselves in situations like this.

[Toolbox]

You can clearly see he was choking him at points in the video.. it was so bad a bears fan and another security guard tried to make him stop choking him.. dude needs to be fired and sued period.

[PanthersAlv]

From the 3 video's that were posted, and one was posted with a Cowboy fans perspective...

I know if you throw anything on the field you're ejected. but, did they have proof of anything being tossed on the field? did they recover anything from the field?

Per the two info pieces, their were Cowboy fans that lied about the Panthers fan throwing stuff on the field, and then took off.

I'm sure if someone saw someone throwing stuff on the field, they'd have video of that too. Cuz that's the world we live in.

[Cardiaq]

I was screaming my ass off and the Cowboy fans around me took it in stride and kept conversation with me all game long. 

There was a guy 2 games back I got into it with that called out "Sir Cameron Newton: Leader of Men, Lover of Puppies...Esquire" but, other than that everyone was pleasant.

Also they don't like when you do the first down motion. But that's ok, they dealt with it anyways.

Here's to not getting choked and thrown out I guess?