Unheralded Architect of the Carolina Panthers

[X-Clown]

Did I really just see an argument that calls Keary Colbert a good draft pick? Or was the gravy from yesterday's turkey spiked?

[electro's horse]

lol is gantt really giving hurney credit for a guy drafted in the fifth round who took 4 years to become good

[frash.exe]

Someone tell Gantt that you can generally go back and find the same effect on any team that replaced their GM and became immediately successful

[Clicheking]

1 hour ago, X-Clown said:

Did I really just see an argument that calls Keary Colbert a good draft pick? Or was the gravy from yesterday's turkey spiked?

I had to read it twice myself.....Ohhh and I forgot to include Dwayne Jarrett on my above list of horrible Hurney picks and no list of Horrible Hurney picks is complete without him. My apologies

[hepcat]

3 hours ago, Jeremy Igo said:

The man just didn't miss on top 10 picks. 

 

The rest of the draft? eh. 

It's almost as if he spent too much time researching his top picks.  Like in 2011, they spent ALL their energy researching Cam and the guys at the top of the draft.  They don't have anyone else from 2011 on the roster.  It paid off though, without Cam this team is no where.  

[CPantherKing]

22 minutes ago, X-Clown said:

Did I really just see an argument that calls Keary Colbert a good draft pick? Or was the gravy from yesterday's turkey spiked?

Colbert was a starter for the 2005 Panthers team that went to the NFC Championship game. He was a major contributor to that season. 2005 Keary Colbert would be the #1 WR for the 2015 Panthers team. Do not discount him because he struggled after playing through the 2005 season injured, and sitting out most the 2006 season with that injury. He never made it back. Same way I do not discount Patrick Jeffers, David Gettis, and Tim Biakabatuka due to their injuries. It is part of the game. Will you say KB was a bust if he struggles to return to form? The average player gets 3 seasons in the NFL.

 

16 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

lol is gantt really giving hurney credit for a guy drafted in the fifth round who took 4 years to become good

If you are speaking of Barnidge, yes Hurney gets the credit. Hurney wanted Barnidge to replace Shockey in the two TE sets. It was Gettleman who let Barnidge walk for the Brandon Williams project, and had to can that project in favor of Ed Dickson. Panthers lost out because of that move by Gettleman. Not only is Barnidge better, he cost half as much as Dickson if he was signed to an extension. Barnidge is still here if Hurney remained the GM.

 

29 minutes ago, Clicheking said:

A lot of the players were 2nd and 3rd rounders and lasted less than a year.....He literally hit on 12-15 players out a possible 60+, that means 75% of the players he drafted after the 1st couldn't make the team.

First, your numbers are wrong. Second, every GM misses outside of the first round. The bad GMs miss inside of the first round. All GMs have a ton of draft picks that never make it past a year. On average a player lasts 3 years in the league. There are 256 picks a year in the draft.

There have been 113 first team all-pro players drafted since 2002. Care to guess where Marty Hurney ranks? 2nd. He will jump to 1st if Cam Newton, Josh Norman and Thomas Davis make 1st team all pro this year.

And if you believe he only hit on 12 to 15 players over 10 drafts, then you believe pro bowlers and all pros are the only thing that count as hitting in the draft. After Norman and Davis make the pro bowl this year, Hurney will rank 5th among GMs since 2002.

[NJPanthers12]

4 hours ago, Jeremy Igo said:

The man just didn't miss on top 10 picks. 

 

The rest of the draft? eh. 

Except for Josh Norman, Greg Hardy, Ryan Kalil, Charles Johnson, Brandon LaFell, Chris Gamble, Thomas Davis, Jonathan Stewart, DeAngelo Williams, Jon Beason, Evan Mathis, Gary Barnidge, Steve Smith, Kris Jenkins, Dan Morgan, DeShaun Foster, Travelle Wharton, Geoff Hangartner, etc. 

And traded a 5th for Greg Olsen.

[electro's horse]

go home CP, you're drunk.

Keary Colbert was garbage. He had a nice rookie year, but teams quickly found out about him and he never really recovered. Now yeah Steve Smith was mean to him, and Jake probably didn't look his way as much when Smith returned, but the guy just wasn't cut out to be an NFL player. He wasn't particularly good at anything, except he had good hands. And that doesn't matter at all if you're soft, can't get off the line, and don't have very good straight line speed. The following year he was fourth on the team in receptions and yards, behind running back deshaun foster. 

Hurney loved guys like this. Dudes without any of the measurable whos ceiling was a promising, average year (hellow James Anderson). The fact he hung around as long as he did is a testament more to Hurney's woes of acquiring WRs and less his talent. Colbert was the definition of Just A Guy.

As far as him being the number 1 receiver on the team right now, no for a couple reasons. Olsen is the number 1 receiver on this team, regardless of his position. With 5 games left he already has more yards than Keary got his entire rookie year. As far as "well he's better than the dudes they have," not really. Look at what Gettleman wants out there; you're either fast as poo (Ginn, Brown) or big (Funchess). Colbert was about Cotchery's size, but had none of the success or "veteran presence" that coaches love so much. I don't really see a role for him on this team.

Finally, if your barometer for a WR is how well he'd do compared to the worst receiving corp in the NFL, then you probably need to reevaluate that. 

I was not speaking of Barnidge, I was speaking of Norman. As far as Barnidge is concerned, he doesn't fit the gettleman mold. Say what you want about Dickson, but he can block at least. Barnidge was undersized and couldn't block anything. Now, for Hurney wanting him to replace Shockey, he got that chance. In 2012, when Hurney and Chud were still here, and with that chance, he got.... 5 catches in 16 games. 

A guy is having a fluke season after 8 in the league. Let's not pretend Hurney was some evil genius for drafting him and knowing the entire time IF HE JUST GOT HIS CHANCE HE'D BE GOLDEN. I mean for god's sake if Hurney was really some idiot savant who knew Barnidge was an all pro just waiting to break out he probably doesn't wait until the fifth round to draft him, unless he also knew when other teams were looking to draft him, making him a precog or something.

Lastly, I've gone into Hurney's drafts a thousand times on this board and I'm late for something, but you're stupid for using counting stats. Hurney hung around for over a decade, of course he's going to have more accolades when the average length of time as a gm is like four years. In that time span he's realistically only competing with Andy Reid, Bill Belichick, and Bill Polian. And I guess Ozzie Smith. 

Hurney was hella bad after 2007. Drafting Cam and Luke was a nice consolation prize. 

[Car123]

2 hours ago, Clicheking said:

Not sure if your joking or serious. Of that list Johnson, Norman, Kalil, Nortman, Capn, Wharton and Witherspoon and Hardy were impactful play FOR Carolina. Mathis and Barnidge after they left, most of those other players are marginal players at best, and/or don't have any business on a championship level team ie: Nick Hayden, Jeff King. I got a list for you: Everrette Brown, Jimmy Clause, Sione Fua, Terrell Mclain, Amanti Edwards, Attiyah Ellison, Kilah Pilares, Eric Shelton, Duke Robinson, Corvey Irvin,  Sherrod Martin,  Eric Norwood, Brandon Hogan. A lot of the players were 2nd and 3rd rounders and lasted less than a year.....He literally hit on 12-15 players out a possible 60+, that means 75% of the players he drafted after the 1st couldn't make the team. For a team that doesn't do much in free agency that will cripple your frannchise for example the 2011 season.

You have to look at how he compares to other gms. He's average not awful after the 1st round.

[frash.exe]

Lol did this guy really say Keary Colbert 2005 would be a no. 1 receiver on this team?

yea 282 yards and 2 touchdowns what a hadouken of a pass catcher

[csx]

One of Hurney and Fox's biggest problems was that they had no real vision for what they wanted to do, what type of players they wanted and didn't want,etc. They just sort of drafted and did free agency at a whim.

[ItsNotGonnaBeAlright]

 Oh my god, a fuging Marty Hurney thread?

fug you.

[Khyber53]

4 hours ago, CPantherKing said:

I know there are two strong parties regarding the following topic, but we must step back and give thanks to Marty Hurney for what he put together the second time around.

Here is an article by Darin Gantt from PFT that gives him that respect. 

Undefeated Panthers still have Marty Hurney’s fingerprints on roster:

So, in the spirit of the holiday weekend I want to give thanks.

Thank you Hurney, and thank you Gettleman for being humble and not blowing up the foundation set by Hurney. It is going to pay off for another decade.

No one can doubt that Hurney eventually painted himself into a corner when it came to the cap. We can all agree, however, that he did pick a great shade of paint to do it with.

 

[CPF4LIFE]

If you love Cam and Keek then you have to give Hurney all the credit for drafting them. Plus considering they were controversial picks too. Thats all him