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The reason D.G cut ties


Jmac

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11 minutes ago, Jmac said:

Cam hit eight different WR's today. Cam has progressed to a MVP caliber QB once he stopped depending and being influenced by a certain WR. Once the player was removed from the equation, things have changed. The team has never seemed closer and Cam never more confident and mature.

Take the elephant out of the room and young players have developed.  D.G knew this. I have complete confidence in this man, no matter who he cuts ties with in the future.

 

So, this explains the Panthers going 12-4 in 2013 and losing to the 49ers because of defensive inefficiencies in the secondary as well as Cam Newton NOT being able to call plays at the line. Not to mention Smith was the only thing good on offense in that game. Cam failed to sneak the ball how many times? The int to start the game was thrown to Brandon LaFell. The other int was thrown to Greg Olsen. Smith finished that game catching 4 of 5 targets, and he was targeted the fewest times compared to Olsen, LaFell, and Ginn.

Last year the Panthers struggled to a 7 win record without Smith, and it was not until the end was near and Shula let Cam run his offense with no huddles and changing plays at the LoS that the Panthers started to win. Against the Seahawks in the playoffs Cam did not have your Steve Smith excuse, and he lost a fumble and threw 2 ints. Can not blame Smith for that.

Steve Smith rarely worked with young WRs with the Panthers, and the ones he did had success and credit him for being a mentor. This myth he held young receivers back is a joke. He was coaching up players at even the defensive positions.

He was a distraction for Rivera and Shula because he constantly called them out and questioned them as the reason why the Panthers were struggling. He encouraged Cam to do his own thing and not rely on the coaches as much. We all see now Steve Smith was correct and the coaches had discovered they need to get out of the way of their players to see success.

The two major differences are the Panthers finally figured out they need to start Norman and get another good CB in Tillman. The biggest correction was letting Cam be Cam and stop forcing him to play like a traditional pocket QB. Giving Cam the ability to change plays and speed up tempo.

Cam had +60% completion percentage with Steve Smith as his #1 while being among the best at big plays in the receiving game. Cam's int% was also lower with Steve Smith at WR. Now the WR drops are up without Smith.

Lastly, everyone who knows football understands it takes 5 to 6 years for a QB to come into their own and put it all together if they will be a franchise QB. Cam is now in his 5th season and it shows.

If you honestly believe Cam Newton would not be better at this moment with a #1 receiver the caliber of Steve Smith, then you are fooling yourself.

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20 minutes ago, ThPantherFan said:

Can't argue with that.  He did.  The thread was talking about one that tried to bully his way in the locker room. 

Steve Smith, Jordan Gross, and Thomas Davis all bullied the Panthers in spite of their coaches with the horrid start in 2013. 12-4 finish was because of their leadership in response to the crap job of Gettleman, Rivera, and Shula.

Gettleman blew up a team that was poised to be a top the NFL. Now Hurney's players still push this team past several of the problems that Gettleman has created for this team and the coaches have finally learned to get out of their player's way. The OL fail project, and WR debacle is because of Gettleman. The secondary struggles for 2014 were due to Gettleman's horrible acquisitions and Rivera's stubborn coaching. Norman needed to be starting since 2013, but he was stuck to the back and almost was booted in favor of Josh Thomas and Melvin White.

Panthers could have been doing this last season (instead of waiting til the last 4 games) if they did not screw with the team adding fail projects, stubbornly sticking with awful veterans, and micromanaging players during the game.

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22 minutes ago, CPantherKing said:

 

So, this explains the Panthers going 12-4 in 2013 and losing to the 49ers because of defensive inefficiencies in the secondary as well as Cam Newton NOT being able to call plays at the line. Not to mention Smith was the only thing good on offense in that game. Cam failed to sneak the ball how many times? The int to start the game was thrown to Brandon LaFell. The other int was thrown to Greg Olsen. Smith finished that game catching 4 of 5 targets, and he was targeted the fewest times compared to Olsen, LaFell, and Ginn.

Last year the Panthers struggled to a 7 win record without Smith, and it was not until the end was near and Shula let Cam run his offense with no huddles and changing plays at the LoS that the Panthers started to win. Against the Seahawks in the playoffs Cam did not have your Steve Smith excuse, and he lost a fumble and threw 2 ints. Can not blame Smith for that.

Steve Smith rarely worked with young WRs with the Panthers, and the ones he did had success and credit him for being a mentor. This myth he held young receivers back is a joke. He was coaching up players at even the defensive positions.

He was a distraction for Rivera and Shula because he constantly called them out and questioned them as the reason why the Panthers were struggling. He encouraged Cam to do his own thing and not rely on the coaches as much. We all see now Steve Smith was correct and the coaches had discovered they need to get out of the way of their players to see success.

The two major differences are the Panthers finally figured out they need to start Norman and get another good CB in Tillman. The biggest correction was letting Cam be Cam and stop forcing him to play like a traditional pocket QB. Giving Cam the ability to change plays and speed up tempo.

Cam had +60% completion percentage with Steve Smith as his #1 while being among the best at big plays in the receiving game. Cam's int% was also lower with Steve Smith at WR. Now the WR drops are up without Smith.

Lastly, everyone who knows football understands it takes 5 to 6 years for a QB to come into their own and put it all together if they will be a franchise QB. Cam is now in his 5th season and it shows.

If you honestly believe Cam Newton would not be better at this moment with a #1 receiver the caliber of Steve Smith, then you are fooling yourself.

How bout this truth being stated more?

how quickly we forget.

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21 minutes ago, CPantherKing said:

Steve Smith, Jordan Gross, and Thomas Davis all bullied the Panthers in spite of their coaches with the horrid start in 2013. 12-4 finish was because of their leadership in response to the crap job of Gettleman, Rivera, and Shula.

Gettleman blew up a team that was poised to be a top the NFL. Now Hurney's players still push this team past several of the problems that Gettleman has created for this team and the coaches have finally learned to get out of their player's way. The OL fail project, and WR debacle is because of Gettleman. The secondary struggles for 2014 were due to Gettleman's horrible acquisitions and Rivera's stubborn coaching. Norman needed to be starting since 2013, but he was stuck to the back and almost was booted in favor of Josh Thomas and Melvin White.

Panthers could have been doing this last season (instead of waiting til the last 4 games) if they did not screw with the team adding fail projects, stubbornly sticking with awful veterans, and micromanaging players during the game.

The Panthers would have been circling the bowl, waiting for the final flush, if not for Gettleman. Crazy talk or just trolling.

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20 minutes ago, L-TownCat said:

How bout this truth being stated more?

how quickly we forget.

what truth? 

And forget what exactly? All the great WRs Steve helped coach up? lol

There's so many things incorrect it's not even worth responding to. The only truth is that our WRs have flourished without him. Never before have we had at least 4-5 good WRs on the same team in the same year with Smith.

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6 minutes ago, Jmac said:

The Panthers would have been circling the bowl, waiting for the final flush, if not for Gettleman. Crazy talk or just trolling.

Here are the reasons the Panthers are winning...

Cam Newton, Jonathan Stewart, Mike Tolbert, Greg Olsen, Ryan Kalil, Luke Kuechly, Thomas Davis, and Josh Norman. You replace them and this is a 2-4 win team.

How many of those players belong to Gettleman? None. Hurney is about to add two more All Pro's to his resume. Gettleman is still hoping to get his first All Pro at the end of his 3rd year.

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27 minutes ago, CPantherKing said:

Here are the reasons the Panthers are winning...

Cam Newton, Jonathan Stewart, Mike Tolbert, Greg Olsen, Ryan Kalil, Luke Kuechly, Thomas Davis, and Josh Norman. You replace them and this is a 2-4 win team.

How many of those players belong to Gettleman? None. Hurney is about to add two more All Pro's to his resume. Gettleman is still hoping to get his first All Pro at the end of his 3rd year.

Our oline wasn't even that good in 2013.. outside of Gross and Kalil is was hot trash trash.

Look what gman got us there: Oher, Turner, Norwell and Remmers.  Probably the best interior in the NFL with a pair of capable OTs.  Also has gotten good results out of Ted Ginn.

On the other side: Allen, Delare, Star, KK, Kurt Coleman, Mike Mitchell, Bene, Love, Tillman, Ealy... yea.

Sure Hurney got us some big name players.  Every team though, even the bad ones, have a handful of superstars.  Building a great team is more about getting good role players to fit to the superstar's strengths, cover up weaknesses and increase depth.  Hurney always got us stars, but we could rarely even have quality backups and it showed in seasons where we struggled with injuries.

Marty Hurney addressed our guard deficiency by spending a second rounder on Amini.  DG solved it by spending a 3rd on Trai.

DG didn't trade for Otah, Armanti or Everette Brown, or almost trade away what would be Cam for Jimmy Freakin Clausen.

This isn't even a discussion.

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59 minutes ago, KillerKat said:

what truth? 

And forget what exactly? All the great WRs Steve helped coach up? lol

There's so many things incorrect it's not even worth responding to. The only truth is that our WRs have flourished without him. Never before have we had at least 4-5 good WRs on the same team in the same year with Smith.

You're taking so much credit away from the 53 men on this team it's absurd.

what exactly, and I mean EXACTLY, does Steve Smith have to do with the 2015 Carolina Panthers?

This horseshit crops up every so often and you really want me to believe that the only thing holding back this team was 89?  That's not even worth responding to.

but continue this asinine train of "logic" and I use that term very loosely.

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51 minutes ago, CPantherKing said:

Here are the reasons the Panthers are winning...

Cam Newton, Jonathan Stewart, Mike Tolbert, Greg Olsen, Ryan Kalil, Luke Kuechly, Thomas Davis, and Josh Norman. You replace them and this is a 2-4 win team.

How many of those players belong to Gettleman? None. Hurney is about to add two more All Pro's to his resume. Gettleman is still hoping to get his first All Pro at the end of his 3rd year.

So how many of those in the first list were All pro in their Rookie years? 2nd? 3rd?

Getts measure of success is based on no drafted All Pro players and no FA All pros were brought in because why again?

/done

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54 minutes ago, CPantherKing said:

Here are the reasons the Panthers are winning...

Cam Newton, Jonathan Stewart, Mike Tolbert, Greg Olsen, Ryan Kalil, Luke Kuechly, Thomas Davis, and Josh Norman. You replace them and this is a 2-4 win team.

How many of those players belong to Gettleman? None. Hurney is about to add two more All Pro's to his resume. Gettleman is still hoping to get his first All Pro at the end of his 3rd year.

The Smitty Fanboy hate for DG is sooooooooooo skrong.

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