There will be as many or more Washington fans in BOA as there were Packers

[panthers55]

10 minutes ago, pantherjack77 said:

ok to clarify- you are saying and therefore admitting that there are thousands of Panthers PSL owners that are scalpers

a significant percentage of Panthers PSL owners are nothing more than scalpers

 let that sink in...been trying to point that out for years...

You,still didn't answer the question. Are you going to the game?

[panthers55]

16 minutes ago, pantherjack77 said:

ok to clarify- you are saying and therefore admitting that there are thousands of Panthers PSL owners that are scalpers

a significant percentage of Panthers PSL owners are nothing more than scalpers

 let that sink in...been trying to point that out for years...

Likely less. I person could own 10 PSL s if they were a scalper so that could mean 300 - 500 folks maybe more. Out of 74000 that is hardly significant.

so answer the question, are you going to be at the game?

[Marguide]

Some of you that are critical of PSL owners selling tickets need to face a certain reality. Not all PSL owners are fans of the Panthers.

Some may be individuals who picked up a PSL cheap during a down year and view it simply as an investment.

Some are corporations that pass them out to valued customers.

Some are professional ticket brokers.

You know these things are true. So why do you expect these groups to act like loyal Panther fans? It's a problem inherent in the PSL system.

[bleedsgreenandgold]

People don't realize how many PSLs are owned by ticket brokers. There is a reason you can go on Stubhub or Ticketexchange  and buy a whole row of seats. Also the same reason you see whole rows empty when the team is average. Brokers rather write-off a loss than bring down the market.

 

The Panthers should of put a limit on the amount of PSLs you can own but we all know Jerry is a big fan of capitalism.

[Marguide]

I'm a long way from the Carolinas and thus restricted to watching the games on TV.

This stuff is going on in every stadium, some more than others. It's a mobile world, people regularly re-locate, etc. The days of people being born and spending their whole lives in the same city are dwindling.

[GRWatcher]

1 hour ago, pantherjack77 said:

ok I try again

PSL ownership is not unique to Panthers organization...many other NFL teams use PSLs or something similiar

but what you are describing - the PSL owners that aren't fans of the Panthers - that part is what is unique to the Panthers...the degree that you see that here...that is what I am talking about

I will put this to rest...what I have discovered is that many people do not see what I am seeing...they think PSL owners being scalpers is just business being business and equally done everywhere and every team has this issue ext ext blah blah

 

 

The Carolina Panthers were the first team to sell Permanent Seat Licenses. With no idea how it would go & needing to sell huge numbers to even get consideration for a team in Charlotte, they sold to anyone who was willing to buy. Since then, when other teams sold PSL's, I doubt it is "equally done everywhere"; they probably put restrictions on the purchases after learning from what the Panthers have in place. So, no, PSL ownership is no longer unique to the Panthers but larger numbers of "the PSL owners that aren't fans of the Panthers" is unique to us. I suggest that you stop trying so hard to aggravate loyal Panther fans on this board & do a little research and historical reading on your own. Your "questions" have been answered, you just don't like the answers so you continue trolling pretending to be a "truth-seeker". Stop.

[Panthers_Lover]

16 hours ago, pantherjack77 said:

you didn't answer the question...tellingly so...

I don't need to explain myself to you at all. You just need to stop generalizing and spouting about crap you don't know the first thing about.

[The Vanguard]

20 hours ago, !stUp said:

Location -Gastonia (See my post reference fussy fans) hehe. Art imitates life.

Sadly, he is from Charlotte and lives in Charlotte. I happen to be from Gastonia......

[Mr. Scot]

11 hours ago, Marguide said:

I'm a long way from the Carolinas and thus restricted to watching the games on TV.

This stuff is going on in every stadium, some more than others. It's a mobile world, people regularly re-locate, etc. The days of people being born and spending their whole lives in the same city are dwindling.

Which I think is one reason why many teams are now trying tactics like restricting out of state sales in an effort to try and get more of their own fans in first.

Don't know how much success they're having with things like that, but I do think it's good that they're making an effort.

[jbeachbum24]

Personally I appreciate the PSL owners, each and every one of ya. Of course I wish our stadium was nothing but Panther fans but at least there's no talk of us losing our team. Nothing but time is going to change the fact that many North Carolinians have allegiances with other teams. Screw it, just cheer louder and keep pounding- on those seats that is.

[goodoleboy]

23 hours ago, CarolinaSamurai said:

Quite whining? Ha ha ha. You were 30? Things are alot different now than when you bought your PSLs. My life has nothing to do with it. You should buy PSLs as a fan not a way to make a profit. Period. You putting me down saying I should make something of my life is unnecessary, especially considering that you have no idea what my life is. I could be rich, poor, sick, injured, a vet, a fast food worker, a engineer, a archeologist, a teacher, you don't know.

Buying something and selling it at 200 to 300% above face value is price gouging and shouldn't be "OK". Telling me to buy a PSL is a fair response but that's a large investment NOW and its ignorant to think all die hard fans can afford that. 

Stop pretending to be better and just imagine a world outside your viewpoint. But maybe that's too hard for you. 

You are the one who quoted my post with the words::

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I hope you grow up. Not everyone is strait ballin to be able to get a PSL. The 200% markup by greedy PSL owners is what bothers me. You have to remember our cost of living here is low and so is the pay. Guys come from up north or out west and get mansions compared to the little places they had where they came from. Because their pay doesn't decrease as they move. I'm a native charlottean so I haven't had that chance. But thanks for the comment.

 I am not pretending to be better than you but reading you complain about the cost of living now as an excuse for not grabbing the things in life that you cherish is bullshit. There are plenty of opportunities out there even now. I really wish i had bought a bunch of 30-40,000 houses back in the 80s. I bought my PSLs because I wanted to go to all the games. It was a stupid investment from any evaluation based on a rate of return. Hell the Panthers could take off for LA and i would be SOL.

Be happy that you can get a ticket or PSL. A PSL is nothing more than a paid version of season ticket renewals. In Green Bay and other places parents used to put their children on the waiting list to buy season tickets at birth because it took 40 years to be able to buy them. Grab your opportunity because if the Panthers become a dynasty you may never have another opportunity.

[goodoleboy]

10 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Which I think is one reason why many teams are now trying tactics like restricting out of state sales in an effort to try and get more of their own fans in first.

Don't know how much success they're having with things like that, but I do think it's good that they're making an effort.

The 4 seats around mine 2 are sold single game. The other 2 are owned by a law firm. All 4 have been listed fro $150-250 for the Skins game. The single game seats must have been bought by a ticket broker when they went on sale last summer. They do limit out of state IPs but if the brokers in NC scoop up the seats there isn't much you can do. That is about to happen again in a few weeks once playoff tickets go on sale. Just got my bill today.

[cookinbrak]

There are ticket brokers that have season tickets for every NFL team.

Also, did any of you hypocrites attend the Jacksonville game earlier this year? Or Tennessee last week? What if they refused to sell Riot the tickets?