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Serious John Fox question

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I am not trying to make this Fox hating threat even thought it is to some degree. However, I am sitting here trying to think back to a game under Fox where I clearly thought he and the coaching staff won a game b/c of what he/they do on the sidelines.....all good coaches with a history with the same team have these moments.....but Fox doesn't....does he? Great adjustments, game plan that took advantage of an opponents weakness? He just seems to be content to bring the same stuff and if his players execute it well we win.....if they don't we lose. Little coaching seems to be done week to week, based on opponents strengths or weaknesses, or even Carolina's.

Can you guys think of a game?

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I think Fox lacks the Imagination to be great. He sticks to his guns no matter the situation. Thats his fault right there. IMO we have gotten worse ever since the 09 season. Not in Talent but in fire and coaching. Our schemes on offense and defense lack great adjustments and well sometimes you have to take risk. I mean at some Point risk will help change momentum that is beating you. Fox has spent years putting the burden of winning games on our Defense and having a less then stellar offense. Well that's just not gonna fly now and adjustment have not been made. Im sure we will bounce back at some point and be competitive but we are not better then last year and last year we were not a SB team. Welcome to mediocrity.

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Whatever number of games Fox's coaching/adjustments/gameplanning have won Carolina......his lack of adjustments/gameplanning etc. have cost us WAY MORE games imo. That imo is a sign of a medicore coach......who simply realize on talent alone to win.

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today's game was familar though, not just the AZ game in playoffs but other past horrible games.

One consistent is Jake doing awful, the other is the other Teams Defense tearing us apart at the line and getting heavy pressure on Jake.

the Key to beating Jake/Fox/Panthers? Pressure, no matter how you have to bring it. THat first drive the Eagles couldn't do it with normal schemes, after that they went all out blitzing and tore us to pieces. Fox didn't know what hit him, no adjustments, nothing.

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last year on monday night football against the Bucs we were up 10-3 at halftime and came out and ran the ball down their throats and won 38-23

Tampa repeatedly said they knew every play coming b/c we only used so few play calls the entire night....they just couldn't stop it. That wasn't imo great coaching but great talent executing a pretty obvious gameplan. Where was the adjustment in the secondary where plan A wasn't working and they gave up 200+ recieving yards to one guy. If Tampa shutdown those 4 plays Fox would have stuck with it.

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I am not trying to make this Fox hating threat even thought it is to some degree. However, I am sitting here trying to think back to a game under Fox where I clearly thought he and the coaching staff won a game b/c of what he/they do on the sidelines.....all good coaches with a history with the same team have these moments.....but Fox doesn't....does he? Great adjustments, game plan that took advantage of an opponents weakness? He just seems to be content to bring the same stuff and if his players execute it well we win.....if they don't we lose. Little coaching seems to be done week to week, based on opponents strengths or weaknesses, or even Carolina's.

Can you guys think of a game?

Your assesment is right on. The only thing I would add is that this weakness is also a strength at times. Fox really is not unlike other coaches in the NFL. His philosiphy is for players to win individual battles and through that the team wins the overall game. Coughlin is very similar in that respect. So is Smith in Atlanta, Del Rio in Jacksonville, Tomlin in Pittsburgh ect. Most traditional head coaches are like that. The schemes and adjustments and a majority of game planning come from the coordinators and position coaches.

Directly Fox should hold some blame for the lack of preperation but that goes on Davidson and the offensive position coaches as well if not more so.

I will say that it does seem like Fox was much better at game planning and making pre-game adjustments back in the early part of his time here. I know it wasn't a win but the Super Bowl was a great example of Fox giving his team the blueprint on how to succed and them executing it with good results. Also, remember the Chicago win in the playoffs after the lost earlier in the regular season.

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Yeah in short

Since 05, Fox fell off. Our last great year

Really? So you are telling me that 12-4, best regular season record in franshise history wasn't a great year? Sorry but to discount the 08 season is being just as short sighted as anyone trying to make excuses for Fox. He has his strengths and he has his weaknesses just like every other coach.

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