About that Newton vs Wilson debate

[Cyberjag]

I would rather have Cam.  If I had to have Wilson instead, I would be pretty happy about that too.  

[d-dave]

Cam has been really great for us, but his defense has bailed him out of some games too!  The debate will rage for their entire career so long as each remain productive and healthy, which is fine.  Think of how much wonderful debate, drama, and energy has come from the whole Brady/Manning debate.  I want it to stay Newton and someone else.  That's fine with me.  

The Seahawks go the way of their defense.  Wilson is a very good QB in his own way, like his escabability/mobility.  But when the defense isn't stopping people, they haven't been as able to make those plays to win games.  I'm sure there are a ton of reasons, but this is the NFL.  Either you make them (like the Panthers have this season) or you don't (like the Seahawks).

Let's enjoy the debate, and hope that everyone wants to compare their QBs to Cam.  His shadow is pretty big, and it has a cape!

[jbland]

3 hours ago, thomas96 said:

Another stat:

 

Cam has multiple touchdowns in 8 of 9 games this year. Wilson has only 1 game out of 9 with multiple touchdowns.

Wilson has a Super Bowl. Once Cam gets his we can have this talk. 

[t96]

2 minutes ago, jbland said:

Wilson has a Super Bowl. Once Cam gets his we can have this talk. 

Trent Dilfer has a Super Bowl. Dan Marino doesn't.

[2jakefansinva]

Who's bird is that.......Russell Wilson's bird.

***.

[thefuzz]

1 hour ago, Cyberjag said:

I would rather have Cam.  If I had to have Wilson instead, I would be pretty happy about that too.  

Agreed, and that's the way I look at it as well.

If I'm picking one of the "young" QB's to build a team around, I would start with Cam, then either Dalton or Wilson...then possibly Bridgewater or Carr.

[Servant of Cthululelei]

This board's obsession with comparing Cam to Wilson and Luck is lame.  We all know Cam is great.  Those other QBs are great too. And believe it or not, there have been times where they absolutely WERE playing better than Cam. This season thats definitely not the case though.  And yeah, it sure seems like the media is quicker to criticize Cam than the others, but some portion of that is almost certainly confirmation bias.  But no matter the reason, it doesn't matter.  It's just great to have a great young QB who will carry us to tons of victories over the next 8-10 years.  I don't care if Seahawks fans would rather have Wilson and Colts fans would rather have Luck, because they should love their QB the same way we love ours.   I believe ours is the best, but it would be ridiculous to expect them to believe it too unless the disparity we've seen this season persists for another 2 or 3.

[t96]

Just now, thefuzz said:

Agreed, and that's the way I look at it as well.

If I'm picking one of the "young" QB's to build a team around, I would start with Cam, then either Dalton or Wilson...then possibly Bridgewater or Carr.

Carr's already better than Dalton and Wilson in my opinion. He's a legit fuging QB. I thought Teddy would be the best out of that class but Carr is for real.

[thefuzz]

Just now, thomas96 said:

Carr's already better than Dalton and Wilson in my opinion. He's a legit fuging QB. I thought Teddy would be the best out of that class but Carr is for real.

I'm just saying that there are a few young QB's out there that have a legit change of being really good NFL players...we just happen to have the one I would prefer, and I would assume the same thing is being said by Viking, Bengals, Raiders, and Seahawks fans everywhere.

[t96]

4 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

I'm just saying that there are a few young QB's out there that have a legit change of being really good NFL players...we just happen to have the one I would prefer, and I would assume the same thing is being said by Viking, Bengals, Raiders, and Seahawks fans everywhere.

I agree, I was just saying I'd probably rather have Carr than Wilson or Dalton. And despite Luck's play this year I'd rather have him over anybody not named Cam Newton. Whether Cam's the best or not, I don't care. I'd take him over anybody.

[Bartin]

7 minutes ago, thomas96 said:

I agree, I was just saying I'd probably rather have Carr than Wilson or Dalton. And despite Luck's play this year I'd rather have him over anybody not named Cam Newton. Whether Cam's the best or not, I don't care. I'd take him over anybody.

Still need to see him in the playoffs but this year's version of Andy Dalton is one of the best QB's in the NFL. I'd take him over Carr.

[cbarrier90]

2 minutes ago, JakeR6 said:

Dalton is good, but Cincy has the best offensive talent in NFL, and whoever is next is a distant second. That team is loaded. They have a good defense, too.

If he had Carolina or New England's offensive personnel I don't think he'd be very good at all. 

Outside of Brady and Rodgers I don't think you can plug any other QB in the league into this offense and have the team sitting at 9-0.

[Bartin]

32 minutes ago, JakeR6 said:

Dalton is good, but Cincy has the best offensive talent in NFL, and whoever is next is a distant second. That team is loaded. They have a good defense, too.

If he had Carolina or New England's offensive personnel I don't think he'd be very good at all. 

Pittsburgh with a healthy Bell is definitely close and possibly better but that's a fair point. Dalton has always been solid even before his personnel was as good as it is now and it really hasn't changed at all from last year to this year so at least some of his improvement has to be attributable to him improving.

[The Huddler]

wilson is over rated as fug!  can only comlete a pass off of a play action or a bootleg 

 

everytime his team is down, its marshawn or the defense that gets them back into the game