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Miami Hurricanes Interested in Shula

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29 minutes ago, EightyNine said:

We have a one of the best offenses in the league..you are in denial if you think the person who is in charge of COORDINATING THE OFFENSE isn't doing a great job.  

Its ok man..you were wrong..it happens..   sometimes, you gotta give credit where credit is due.  Saying he has simply "improved" is not enough credit.

The only point I'm trying to make is that, again, Cam makes shula, it is not the other way around - no way, no how! There is not an OC in this league that wouldn't have success when a guy like cam has the ball in his hands on every offensive down.  Just look at Shula, pre-cam, he was terrible at every level and now that cam is playing great and hitting his prime Shula miraculously looks good. But that's just a coincidence, right? I couldn't imagine this offense with an OC like hue Jackson or someone with a similar resume. 

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42 minutes ago, Panthers4real said:

I give up...Shula is a great OC and we wouldn't be better with somebody else with a better track record.  And Cam is so lucky to have an offensive guru like Mike Shula.

Dude has flaws.  No doubt.  Teams have dictated to us late in games and we aren't running.  We are passing.  Can throws that pick late against GB b/c Shula is passing in scenarios you'd like to see run, run, run.

but you gotta bash him correctly IMO. 

I think the fact he is letting teams dictate his offense late in games when we should be running a clock out is a flaw.  He needs to get some better formations on the field IMO.  

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33 minutes ago, UpstatePanther said:

Yes, they work well together and yes he should be easy to replace. But no, he isn't better than Chud. I don't see how there's any evidence to support that premise. Our offense was downright prolific with Chud. With Shula, it has been anemic at best until this season when all the pieces fell in place. 

Let me put it this way, Chud made chicken salad with chicken poo. Shula had to have the chicken salad ingredients lined out for him and then instructions clearly outlined before he could actually make the dish. And even with all that, he still calls the stupidest plays at times

Thats an interesting perspective... before the season started, I think most people thought our ingredients were awful..especially after KB went down.  I actually still think that most people believe we are winning despite our weak ingredients.

You dont think there is ANY evidence to support Shula being better than Chud?  I can think of one piece..  We havent missed playoffs with Shula.  We NEVER went to the playoffs with Chud..  maybe thats not evidence for you..but to me..STATS ARE FOR LOSERS.. if it makes you feel better that your qb throws for 4000+ yards a year, go root for the detroit lions..  Im really enjoying watching Shula's winning style of offense that is tailored to our special and unique QB.

 

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4 minutes ago, CRA said:

Dude has flaws.  No doubt.  Teams have dictated to us late in games and we aren't running.  We are passing.  Can throws that pick late against GB b/c Shula is passing in scenarios you'd like to see run, run, run.

but you gotta bash him correctly IMO. 

I think the fact he is letting teams dictate his offense late in games when we should be running a clock out is a flaw.  He needs to get some better formations on the field IMO.  

Couldn't agree more. I don't think Shula is a terrible OC. I just think he is fortunate to have a QB like cam to make him look better than he really is. And a D and DC who can bail us out when one of his 3rd and 2 bombs don't work.

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4 minutes ago, Panthers4real said:

The only point I'm trying to make is that, again, Cam makes shula, it is not the other way around - no way, no how! There is not an OC in this league that wouldn't have success when a guy like cam has the ball in his hands on every offensive down.  Just look at Shula, pre-cam, he was terrible at every level and now that cam is playing great and hitting his prime Shula miraculously looks good. But that's just a coincidence, right? I couldn't imagine this offense with an OC like hue Jackson or someone with a similar resume. 

Cam is an unbelievable talent..no denying that.. The man is built like no other..BUT.. Cam was raw.. It has been a process getting him to this point.. He had to LEARN how to be what he is now..Now that he has learned, I believe Shula deserves a lot of credit for TEACHING him how to do what he is doing now..they BOTH deserve A LOT of credit..

Just look at Cam, pre-Shula, never went to the playoffs..wasn't making clutch throws...didnt take what the defense is giving him like he is now..Now Shula takes over, and yes, we are playing more conservative..but thats because we are winning and not playing from behind as much.. But thats just a coincidence, right?

Hue Jackson's offense is averaging 28.6 points a game.  Shula's is averaging 28.5 points per game.. 

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5 minutes ago, EightyNine said:

It's hard for me to understand why people aren't getting this.

Yeah, it's really damn simple. Shula gives Cam two plays. One for man and one for zone or one for cover 2 and one for cover 3. Cam gets to the line of scrimmage reads the defense and picks the play Shula gave him that is best suited to attack the defense he reads.

Cam does not have the entire playbook at his disposal here to switch to.

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10 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

Doesn't matter how good the offensive system is, if you have a good qb, you want him adjusting the call once the defense has shown it's hand. 

Failed attempt to slam our OC. 

Please, try again!

I'm not "slamming" our OC, but welcome to the conversation. I'm simply making the point that Shula's success, in large part, is because of cam.  

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50 minutes ago, EightyNine said:

Thats an interesting perspective... before the season started, I think most people thought our ingredients were awful..especially after KB went down.  I actually still think that most people believe we are winning despite our weak ingredients.

You dont think there is ANY evidence to support Shula being better than Chud?  I can think of one piece..  We havent missed playoffs with Shula.  We NEVER went to the playoffs with Chud..  maybe thats not evidence for you..but to me..STATS ARE FOR LOSERS.. if it makes you feel better that your qb throws for 4000+ yards a year, go root for the detroit lions..  Im really enjoying watching Shula's winning style of offense that is tailored to our special and unique QB.

 

We also didn't have a defense when Chud was here. Can you imagine Chud's offense with the current Panthers defense? 

I'm sorry. The only reason people think our pieces are lackluster is because KB went down. With him, we would have every piece needed to have a great WR corps. But because guys are forced to take on pseudo-WR1 roles in KB's absence, they are out of their league and it appears we dont have all the pieces we need. That this offense is succeeding without him is more due to all the pieces already being there, than Shula having some sort of epiphany. 

In short, Gettleman and RR have had to surround Shula with the talent in order for him to succeed. Chud made this offense work with much less. 

I won't take away from the offensive success this season. And I won't place all the blame on Shula for the mistakes we've seen cus I cant. But game managment still leaves alot to be desired on the offensive side of the ball. 

I don't trust him. He showed enough ineptitude before this season that's it's easy to believe this offense is succeeding in spite of him, and not due to him.

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6 minutes ago, UpstatePanther said:

We also didn't have a defense when Chud was here. Can you imagine Chud's offense with the current Panthers defense? 

I'm sorry. The only reason people think our pieces are lackluster is because KB went down. With him, we would have every piece needed to have a great WR corps. But because guys are forced to take on pseudo-WR1 roles in KB's absence, they are out of their league and it appears we dont have all the pieces we need. That this offense is succeeding without him is more due to all the pieces already being there, than Shula having some sort of epiphany. 

In short, Gettleman and RR have had to surround Shula with the talent in order for him to succeed. Chud made this offense work with much less. 

I won't take away from the offensive success this season. And I won't place all the blame on Shula for the mistakes we've seen cus I cant. But game managment still leaves alot to be desired on the offensive side of the ball. 

I don't trust him. He showed enough ineptitude before this season that's it's easy to believe this offense is succeeding in spite of him, and not due to him.

I disagree with you.  I think i gave a lot of good reasons for that in my previous posts, but I'll make one point now.

 

This is Mike Shula's 3rd year as OC.. Was there a point in Rivera's third year where you could have said the same thing about showing enough ineptitude to not trust him?  Arent you glad he's still our coach?  Open up to the idea that, like Rivera, Shula is now doing things the right way..

If you think our game management has left A LOT to be desired..then i think you should consider managing your expectations a little better.  We are off to the best start we've ever had..and our offense is a big reason for that.  For me, that satisfies A LOT of my desires.

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