Interesting Cam stat I just saw on NFL Network

[goodoleboy]

16 minutes ago, Mr Mojo Risin said:

Going to have to disagree. I believe we shut our offense down in the 4th quarter when GB began to stage their come back. Cam's INT for instance on 3rd do , if we are going to throw the ball why not have more recievers running routes rather than just two? Why is the hot route an outside route to the far side of the field? We are notorious for letting teams back in the game because we poo our offense down. Its one of the reasons why we lost so many close games in Riveras first 2 years only difference is now we are closing them out.

I was at the GB game and just watched the TV version yesterday. I really don't think we backed the O down. Cam just had a streak of inaccuracy. Receivers were open he just missed them. Against the Colts drops caused the same thing. 

Its not a bad thing. Nothing like being 8-0 and the team believing they have things to work on.

[Mr Mojo Risin]

15 minutes ago, goodoleboy said:

I was at the GB game and just watched the TV version yesterday. I really don't think we backed the O down. Cam just had a streak of inaccuracy. Receivers were open he just missed them. Against the Colts drops caused the same thing. 

Its not a bad thing. Nothing like being 8-0 and the team believing they have things to work on.

You are right Cam did miss on some throws that would have likely extended drives/scored more points it's just I think we got to a certain point where we were just trying to kill the clock and then Cam's INT happened. I just feel like when we go conservative on offense is when we tend to make mistakes rather than letting Cam do his thing in the shotgun. I will say it is great to be 8-0 and I couldn't be more proud of this team.

[davos]

Didn't they try to shift from the 158.3 scale to 100?  These QB ratings seem to always go back and forth.

[JawnyBlaze]

2 hours ago, davos said:

Didn't they try to shift from the 158.3 scale to 100?  These QB ratings seem to always go back and forth.

I think you might be thinking about that even more useless QBR or whatever it is that ESPN has been pushing. That's strictly an ESPN thing, not an "official" stat that the NFL uses. 

[AU-panther]

5 hours ago, Wyank said:

The stat fits with what seems like what happens on the field.  Once up, offense is shut down and switched to play not to lose mode. Predictable "safe" runs and put it all on the defense. 

http://espn.go.com/nfl/playbyplay?gameId=400791700

If you look at the last 5 drives we had, and not counting the very last drive which was an obvious running situations, here is the run/pass breakdown.

6 runs, 9 passes

Hardly the epitome of shutting it down.

I know people like to blame the coaches, but I don't think it was a case of us "letting up".  We failed to get first downs and kept giving the ball back to a very good QB.

 

[ncsfinest21]

yea, our offense in the 2nd half  of games has went from funfetti cake to vanilla. Reason being why take unnecessary risk airing the ball out, when clock management is the biggest factor. Run and pound that ball if you up by 14. Every so often throw the ball downfield so the defense doesnt stack the box. I agree with how we are playing 2nd half. But the key is on defense 3rd down. We have had alot of bad calls and due to it some Indy and GB have made it close but we can clean up some here too. Whalen catch was a drop and there was one in the GB game too that was questionable along with the interception that wasnt a interception. Offense wise we need to have better run to covert 3rd downs and not stale out and keep the clock moving.

[KendrickPanther]

In the past two games we've had first downs nullified or penalties not called that aided our opponents in getting back into the games. I think the officials started refereeing the score because we had such a large lead. But last week Cam had Funchess for a big first down late in the game and the DB arrived early with no penalty called. Greg Olsen got hit with a phantom holding vs. the Colts.

 

I don't think our offense is playing that poorly with a lead, we just aren't catching some breaks when everything is magnified. We can dispell the myth that the Panthers have a bad offense. We are averaging 28 points a game even with Cam's Kaepernick like statistics.

[TheRed]

41 minutes ago, KendrickPanther said:

We are averaging 28 points a game even with Cam's Kaepernick like statistics.

Not really. That was a poor comparison from the jump made by individuals with a clear bias toward Newton.

Only place where their stats even remotely compare is completion %.

As for the rest..

Through 8 games:

Newton: 2,163 total yards, 14 passing touchdowns, 5 rushing touchdowns, 9 interceptions.

Kaepernick: 1,871 total yards, 6 passing touchdowns, 1 rushing touchdown, 5 interceptions.

Now consider the fact that Newton has double the number of passing touchdowns on only 2 more passing attempts than Kaepernick (246 o 244). Then also consider the fact that Newton's #1 WR is Ted Ginn Jr, while Kaepernick basically plays with 2 wide receivers who would be #1's on many other teams in the league in Anquan Boldin, and Torrey Smith.

[PiratePanther189]

Jesus...NFLN is using QBR now too...

[pantherfan188]

Along with that graphic, I also found this video to be really, really interesting. It breaks down so much of Cam's game to date in multiple ways with a lot of detail. Its really interesting to be because his numbers don't always reflect his success so far this season. https://realfootballnetwork.com/blog/2015/11/11/the-curious-case-of-cam-newton/

[Frizzy350]

I believe QBR is actually on a scale of 0-100.

The one that goes from 0-158.3 is Quarterback rating while QBR is actually called QBR.

[KendrickPanther]

4 hours ago, TheRed said:

Not really. That was a poor comparison from the jump made by individuals with a clear bias toward Newton.

Only place where their stats even remotely compare is completion %.

As for the rest..

Through 8 games:

Newton: 2,163 total yards, 14 passing touchdowns, 5 rushing touchdowns, 9 interceptions.

Kaepernick: 1,871 total yards, 6 passing touchdowns, 1 rushing touchdown, 5 interceptions.

Now consider the fact that Newton has double the number of passing touchdowns on only 2 more passing attempts than Kaepernick (246 o 244). Then also consider the fact that Newton's #1 WR is Ted Ginn Jr, while Kaepernick basically plays with 2 wide receivers who would be #1's on many other teams in the league in Anquan Boldin, and Torrey Smith.

I was being sarcastic. There are a million intricate reasons why Cam Newton's numbers are not flashy this year. Against the Eagles he checked into a Mike Tolbert stretch run that picked up 12 yards on 1st and 15. There is no statistic but it's damned good Quarterbacking. Kaepernick had played in 1 more game when that graphic came out and his team was 32nd in the league in scoring. Cam isn't going to put up big yardage when playing with a lead and short fields from defensive turnovers. Cam's interceptions are up this year but you could argue 6 of them were on the o-line or receivers tipping balls into the air. He engineered 4 80 yard drives in Seattle which was incredible. You see him making changes at the line of scrimmage that work really well. I've seen him move in the pocket rather than tuck the ball and run and he doesn't always end the play with a completion but it's still a great sign for his development. 

 

Last year I thought Cam really showed something in terms of heart and toughness and he had some very impressive throwing performances as well. This year you can really see maturity in his game. I'm not talking about towels and press conferences. I'm talking about pre snap reads, smart decisions with the football, running the offense in the no huddle and 2 minute drills. Touch passing and check downs. He's been incredible and the statistics hide that. Just an example, I think Cam had his worst performance of the season vs. the Packers. He hit some big plays to wide open receivers but he had accuracy issues throughout the game. He missed some wide open receivers or we might have put up 50. He won offensive player of the week for his 4 touchdowns but in my opinion he didn't play very well. If you watch the press conference, he wasn't impressed by himself either. That's a wall of text but I've just been blown away by the stuff I've seen him do even if the statistics don't bear it out. 

[KendrickPanther]

And when Cam brought the zone read into the NFL it created a conundrum for evaluating his performances. Most people choose to ignore his rushing statistics but not only do you have to evaluate him as a rusher, you have to evaluate his decision making. There is no statistic for letting Stewie run for 8 yards but it's a decision Cam has to make just the same as a pass attempt. We've seen him make great decisions in the option game and we've seen him make mistakes, but no one really knows how to quantify that compared to completion percentage in the passing game. 

[lightsout]

3 hours ago, KendrickPanther said:

And when Cam brought the zone read into the NFL it created a conundrum for evaluating his performances. Most people choose to ignore his rushing statistics but not only do you have to evaluate him as a rusher, you have to evaluate his decision making. There is no statistic for letting Stewie run for 8 yards but it's a decision Cam has to make just the same as a pass attempt. We've seen him make great decisions in the option game and we've seen him make mistakes, but no one really knows how to quantify that compared to completion percentage in the passing game. 

Easy to do. You take all read option plays, and you look at correct read rate. Each time Cam makes the right decision on the read, that's a positive. 0-100% scale. Take off percentages for wrong reads the same as pass attempts/completions. Not hard, just have to identify the concept by watching the film. Identify which end he is reading (usually the end on the same side as the RB, but not always), then go from there.