Cam's short throw accuracy: Should we be worried?

[Cookie Lyon]

1 hour ago, mcdougal said:

Remember when I stated a couple of years ago that the Huddle/Panther Nation criticized Newton more for the way he threw a TD pass that won us the division crown and a first round bye against the Saints...than there was against Ryan Tannehill who that same week badly lost a game vs. the Jets/Bills that cost the Dolphins a spot in the playoffs.

Remember when I said that there are more threads in Panther land/the Huddle discussing what is wrong with Newton even on good days and wins...than there are on either the Colts/Lions/Bears forum with regards to Luck/Stafford/Cutler on bad days when they lose.

Remember when I said that and people didn't believe me?

Do you believe me now?

Some of the people in this fan base are odd. Cam can do no right in their eyes. I've never seen anything like it before.

[Proudiddy]

11 minutes ago, firefox1234 said:

I apologize if this thread has people thinking I'm ungrateful of the teams or Cam's accomplishments because I ain't that's for sure. Especially after all those bad throws Cam was seen on the sidelines visually frustrated after all his misses and even during the press conference he was vocal about it. I was just wondering if there was a reason outside his basic mechanics why he may r missing those throws.

I seriously think the games where he is asked to carry more of the load running have a bigger impact on routine throws he usually makes with ease.  Again, imo, every QB misses wide open throws, and yesterday was that day for Cam and HE STILL OUTPLAYED AARON RODGERS WHILE THROWING FOR 3 TDS AND RUNNING FOR ANOTHER, lol.  He could very well come out next week (as long as the recievers keep catching) and throw at a 65% clip.  There isn't an issue.

[Mr. Scot]

We've gone though this before.

Newton is never going to be one of those hyper-accurate passers like Brees or Rodgers.  The truth is most NFL QBs aren't.  Very few of those "pinpoint" guys exist, and probably a lot fewer than people think.

He'll always have some passes that look perfect, some passes that look okay, some that look off the mark and some that look like wild pitches.  That's who he is, and the team knows it.  Hence, they've built the personnel and scheme accordingly.

If that worries you, just remember there are plenty of past QBs with similar accuracy (Favre, Elway, Bradshaw, etc) who have Super Bowl rings, and some more than one.

Do not fret.

[pstall]

Last week it was dropped passes and this week it's open wr's.

Nothing wrong with winning AND still have areas of improvement. 

 

[PhillyB]

cam knew he left points on the board, multiple times. you could see it in his face. he's dissatisfied with himself and i think that's a good thing

[caatfan]

We should trade for another QB immediately. Get Kaepernick and a SB victory is assured. Cam can play on special teams and take Webb's spot as the 3rd stringer. Or we could trade him for a conditional 7th round pick.

[Mr. Scot]

The ones that I think he has the most trouble with are the short to medium outside throws.  Those have accounted for a couple of his more heinous picks in recent weeks.

But let's be real here.  Those are tough throws for any quarterback.  If you don't put it in just the right spot it's reeeeealll easy for a defender to go after it. 

Take a look back at some of Josh Norman's pick sixes (back when people were still throwing at him) and you'll see that's one kind of throw he loves to take advantage of.

We've long known that cam is a batter deep passer.  Pretty sure that's part of why we run a Coryell.

[Peppers90 NC]

simple? 

[panthers55]

1 minute ago, electro's horse said:

I don't really know what you're talking about at any point of this post. Yes, you understand the basic concept of play action. Fantastic. My point is the Panthers offense puts them into situations where they have to be very precise in long yardage situations, and they very often are not. As a matter of fact, they're the fifth worst in the league at converting on third down. 

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/third-down-conversion-pct

My google fu is very weak today for some reason, and I can't find average third down distance. I'm going to bet it's in the bottom third of the league, maybe bottom fourth. Now whatever semantic argument you want to get in to, this is a function of the Panthers overly conservative style; specifically trying to manage TOP, in which they're middle of the league, but TOP is a dumb thing to care about. 

As far as "oh well future hall of famer," is McCown a future hall of famer? Sam Bradford? Ryan Mallett? 

All of these are middling, pointless QBs who were driving for at least game tying TDs because the offense couldn't put a game away late. 

Like my signature said I can explain it to you but can't understand it for you.  HOw are we on third down conversions?

 

9 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

I don't really know what you're talking about at any point of this post. Yes, you understand the basic concept of play action. Fantastic. My point is the Panthers offense puts them into situations where they have to be very precise in long yardage situations, and they very often are not. As a matter of fact, they're the fifth worst in the league at converting on third down. 

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/third-down-conversion-pct

My google fu is very weak today for some reason, and I can't find average third down distance. I'm going to bet it's in the bottom third of the league, maybe bottom fourth. Now whatever semantic argument you want to get in to, this is a function of the Panthers overly conservative style; specifically trying to manage TOP, in which they're middle of the league, but TOP is a dumb thing to care about. 

As far as "oh well future hall of famer," is McCown a future hall of famer? Sam Bradford? Ryan Mallett? 

All of these are middling, pointless QBs who were driving for at least game tying TDs because the offense couldn't put a game away late. 

You are kitchen sinking and throwing things up on the wall hoping they stick but the conclusions you make arent related to the data you present.  Yes we are not good on third down conversions but then again no team is over 50% they rank from 48% to 23% and we are close to the bottom.  That is not arguable.  The issue is why. You think it is because we have a too conservative offense and get in third and longs too often.  I would agree on the third and long but not the too conservative play by design.  Truth is that when Benjamin went down one of our biggest third down weapons went away.  So you load the box, put a spy on Cam and double Olsen ans what do we have left?  Cotchery?  Ginn?

We run because our passing game is still not great.  We run because we are bult to run.  Why did we struggle yesterday running the ball.  Maybe because they have the 5th best running defense in the league. Maybe we ran all day against Indy due to the weather.  Truth is that we run because we have to run and without great clutch receivers we are going to have a low third down conversion rate.  It isnt by design as much as how we have to do it given the personnel we currently have.

As to our offense not scoring when we need to, look at the numbers.  We have scored more in the second half than the first and Cam's passer rating by quarter is:

34 in first quarter

90 in second quarter

91 in the third quarter

and 100 in the fourth quarter.

In the fourth quarter when we within 7 it is 117.  

You seem to be the one who has little clue.

[nickzz]

4 hours ago, firefox1234 said:

You can't tell me Rodgers would have missed Olsen on that seam route and Cotchery on that out route if he had the time and space Cam did. Not sayin he should be 100% but hitting those kind of throws would do his near 50% completion percentage some good.

cobb BURNED norman on one play and was wide open for a ~70 yard TD but rodgers overthrew it.

[AceBoogie]

4 hours ago, firefox1234 said:

You can't tell me Rodgers would have missed Olsen on that seam route and Cotchery on that out route if he had the time and space Cam did. Not sayin he should be 100% but hitting those kind of throws would do his near 50% completion percentage some good.

Well he missed Cobb for two scores and he's supposed to be the best

[Hammerin'Cameron34]

Cam and Rodgers had close to the same % 

When Cam is in crunch time like against Seattle that last drive he hit everything short and long, you get the feeling Cam performs better when he needs to .. he missed some that you say damn I wish he made that, and he wishes he did too, and he still had good stats, a thread was made on this

We still haven't seen Cam's best or this teams

[IGSaint]

What's the point of complaining honestly? The team is 8-0 and Cam is a large apart of the reason. Cam is who he is. He's going to make some great throws and miss some throws. Really no point in complaining. 

[J.Cage]

Yes. Need to start preparing to take a QB in the 1st round.