Cam's short throw accuracy: Should we be worried?

[Ken]

I've seen him hit thise passes in other gamrs, so no, not worried at all.

[mcdougal]

10 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

People are allowed to criticize bad elements of the team, like Cam's overall accuracy.

If this bothers you, don't read the threads. There are tons of topics where people compete to suck dick the hardest. You'd probably be happier there.

I love the BS games people of your ilk like to play...pray tell what other "bad" elements of this team did you have occasion to note?

A comment on Gano missing a FG would work

A mention of Ginn dropping a TD pass would also work

A summation of the defense allowing 40 some points in the last two 4th quarters would be fine

Please provide a link to the other "bad" elements of the team you sense to create an entire thread on...

[electro's horse]

2 minutes ago, mcdougal said:

I love the BS games people of your ilk like to play...pray tell what other "bad" elements of this team did you have occasion to note?

A comment on Gano missing a FG would work

A mention of Ginn dropping a TD pass would also work

A summation of the defense allowing 40 some points in the last two 4th quarters would be fine

Please provide a link to the other "bad" elements of the team you sense to create an entire thread on...

I haven't made a thread? maybe you should relax. You seem upset. 

[mcdougal]

5 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

I haven't made a thread? maybe you should relax. You seem upset. 

So no thread created about the team's other "bad" elements? Interesting...

[electro's horse]

19 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Dont agree with your analysis or conclusions.  We are pretty good at taking what the defense gives us and keeping the defense off balance like we did in the first half.  We run because it is a strength but also because play action freezes the linebackers and safeties who have to play 8 in the box.  You have to set that up and sometimes fake the end around or reverse even giving up a few plays to set something up later in the game.  We run on first and second down so we dont have 3 and long not the other way around.  We run on first down and second down so we end up in third and manageable so we can play action and throw over the top like we did several times on third down.

And the end was simply what happens when you have a future HOF quarterback scramble and throw in desperation along with a few calls that went their way. Anyone who didnt expect the Packers to make a come back has no clue. We weathered the storm and did what we had to in order to win.  

I don't really know what you're talking about at any point of this post. Yes, you understand the basic concept of play action. Fantastic. My point is the Panthers offense puts them into situations where they have to be very precise in long yardage situations, and they very often are not. As a matter of fact, they're the fifth worst in the league at converting on third down. 

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/third-down-conversion-pct

My google fu is very weak today for some reason, and I can't find average third down distance. I'm going to bet it's in the bottom third of the league, maybe bottom fourth. Now whatever semantic argument you want to get in to, this is a function of the Panthers overly conservative style; specifically trying to manage TOP, in which they're middle of the league, but TOP is a dumb thing to care about. 

As far as "oh well future hall of famer," is McCown a future hall of famer? Sam Bradford? Ryan Mallett? 

All of these are middling, pointless QBs who were driving for at least game tying TDs because the offense couldn't put a game away late. 

[electro's horse]

3 minutes ago, mcdougal said:

So no thread created about the team's other "bad" elements? Interesting...

yeah i don't post threads about other teams in the Panthers forum. Shocking. 

But there's a thread right now about Graham Gano. There are plenty about Ted Ginn. There have been threads about the defense even!

Not sure why people on this board hyperventilate any time someone criticizes cam. 

[mcdougal]

5 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

yeah i don't post threads about other teams in the Panthers forum. Shocking. 

But there's a thread right now about Graham Gano. There are plenty about Ted Ginn. There have been threads about the defense even!

Not sure why people on this board hyperventilate any time someone criticizes cam. 

Reading comprehension. Reading comprehension:

"...pray tell what other "bad" elements of this team did you have occasion to note?"

"...Please provide a link to the other "bad" elements of the team you [had] sense to create an entire thread on... "

[Proudiddy]

Honestly, people are always going to see Cam how they have always chosen to view Cam.  If they love him, theyre going to keep loving him (that would be me lol), and they take the good woth the occasional bad, because no one else's good is like his good.  If you dont like him, youre never gonna like him.  And then theres people who will always nitpick everything he does.

No, im not worried.  Guess what?  Aaron Rodgers missed A LOT of easy throws yesterday.  Tom Brady misses throws every week.  These are the guys considered the best pure passers in the league.  Rodgers essentially blew the game yesterday, and do you think Packers forums are posting about how maybe they should be worried about his accuracy long term?  Lol.

I'm not saying Cam is on Brady or Rodgers level accuracy-wise, but he's a superior athlete, physical specimen, and is now equal or better than them as an overall QB.  He controls the ENTIRE game like no one else can, or likely wver will.  And due to our lack of legitmate weapons around him, his margin for error is incredibly small.  He carries the entire team offensively.  No one else in the league does that.  So complain if you want, but yesterday was that one game a year i expect where Cam is just slightly off...  and the hilarious part is, he still threw for almost 300 yards, had 3 passing TDs and a rushing TD in a win.

9 games out of 10, he will complete those throws he missed yesterday.  He usually always makes those throws, and sadly, usually, his recievers either cant get open or drop them.  Yesterday, they were getting open, he just didnt hit them like he consistently does otherwise.  Its an aberration and it happens.

Tim Hasselbeck brought up an interesting theory, saying that our 3rd and long misfires in the passing game yesterday were largely attributed to Cam being our best running option and how that affects his passing occasionally.  He pointed out how we'll ask him to run a power and then within the next two plays complete a pass on 3rd and 12.  Even for me, because of all of the amazing stuff he does, you forget he can get fatigued, because we literally view him as superman.  But again, no other QB carries the responsibility and the weight he does in their respective offenses.  He IS the offense.  But again, his good is better than other QB's great, and i wouodnt want anyone else QBing my team.  He da real MVP.

[electro's horse]

3 minutes ago, mcdougal said:

Reading comprehension. Reading comprehension:

"...pray tell what other "bad" elements of this team did you have occasion to note?"

"...Please provide a link to the other "bad" elements of the team you [had] sense to create an entire thread on... "

Are you asking me to post threads I've made about other elements of this team? 

I'm by far one of the most critical person on this board in regards to the team and coaching staff. If you would like more information, search is not difficult to use. 

[AU-panther]

1 hour ago, csx said:

I'm not sure worrying is going to accomplish anything. It's who he is. Fortunately he has some other really great aspects that bring wins to the team.

I'm not sure why this is so hard for people to understand.

Cam does some things that maybe no other QB in the league can do but that doesn't mean he doesn't have things he needs to work on.

Does he consistently throw the slant as accurately as some QBs in the league?  probably not

Can those same QBs throw the ball 60yrds downfield, off their back foot, with a defender draped all over them?  probably not

Hopefully Cam is more honest with himself then some of the people on here.

 

[LinvilleGorge]

Aaron Rodgers only completed 52% of his passes yesterday.

[electro's horse]

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Aaron Rodgers only completed 52% of his passes yesterday.

And people are rightly criticizing. 

Jesus guys he can have attributes no other QB has and still be inaccurate over the middle, or struggle with an out route to anyone not named Greg Olsen, or sail passes over his receivers heads 4-5 times a game. 

[LinvilleGorge]

6 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

And people are rightly criticizing. 

Jesus guys he can have attributes no other QB has and still be inaccurate over the middle, or struggle with an out route to anyone not named Greg Olsen, or sail passes over his receivers heads 4-5 times a game. 

8-0

[firefox1234]

I apologize if this thread has people thinking I'm ungrateful of the teams or Cam's accomplishments because I ain't that's for sure. Especially after all those bad throws Cam was seen on the sidelines visually frustrated after all his misses and even during the press conference he was vocal about it. I was just wondering if there was a reason outside his basic mechanics why he may r missing those throws.