We are letting teams hang around, we need to stop being so conservative

[panthers55]

6 minutes ago, JccOldTime23 said:

I would agree with you except Norman and Tillman are far superior to the Saints DBs and that late game heroics is literally all Andrew Luck does. Every single week. I told my wife when we went up 23-6 to watch us go prevent and let them get right back in it and that's exactly what we did. I knew we would because since 2011 that is what we always do.

We didn't go to the prevent if you look at it closely. The prevent is typically rush 3 and put 8 in coverage. We continued to rush 4 and in some 3rd downs we actually blitzed and brought 6 and 7 but for whatever reason they picked it up and we got burned which is what happened when you blitz and don't get there. I think many of you confuse playing zone coverage with prevent defense. 

[panthers55]

5 minutes ago, TheWiz said:

The reason Luck threw for so few yards was because of the rain. Our defense did a good job... but they were getting gassed. The weather was a big factor on both sides of the ball early in the game but in the 4th quarter, the truth came out.... And Andrew Luck started completing passes.  

"You play to win the game, not score 50 points." .... What does that even mean? 

You win by scoring more than the other team. Contrary to people on this board, Andrew Luck is a very good QB and he will burn you in the 4th quarter... Which he did to us. My point is. The Colts believe in their QB more than we believe in ours. Its taken years for Cam to get the trust he has now... and he's been better than Luck the entire time. I agree that this game shouldnt have been close, but the reason that this game was close is because the offense starting playing the "Field position keep away." 

This defense keeps Mike Shula looking like a better coordinator than he is. Ron Rivera is the one calling 4th down plays... but if you actually have an effective play call... YOU DONT NEED to go for it on 4th down. Having to go for it on 4th down means that Cam Newton is our best short yardage option... It doesnt mean we're running an efficient offense. 

We should have a balanced attack, but situational football is about making the right decision at the right time in the game. The point is .... Cam has proven over and over that he's clutch at the end of the game. It would be nice to have that same confidence the first 3 quarters.

Don't agree that they trust Luck more than we trust Cam. Cam did not throw the ball well and his receivers dropped too many. If anything the coaches didn't trust the receivers to catch the ball not for Cam to get it there. 

You  clearly don't get that Shula runs the offense we do because of the defense we run. He does exactly what Rivera wants him to do. If we were an offensive team with a poor defense then we would have more offensive weapons and Shula would be airing it out. He was a quarterback himself and a quarterback coach so it isn't as if he doesn't how to throw the ball. We have the most varied run game because Rivera wants to ground and pound and our team is built to run. If we were built to air it out then that is what we would be doing.  Rivera wants a balanced ball control offense which heavy emphasis on the run which is what we have.  Shula is finally getting the recognition he has deserved because we are winning. The only folks that keep bitching about Shula seems to be Panther fans. Knowledgeable guys like Cosell think he is doing a great job.

[EgoDogg]

1 hour ago, chris999 said:

I cant believe you guys sit around and poo on our players when we are 7-0.

Did you know that 'garbage' WR Ted Ginn was leading the league in TDs before the bye week?

Yea, KB went down, we all get it. That is not a reason to poo on our own players who have stepped up and have not lost a game yet.

Shameful.

No wonder Thomas Davis was on TV last night talking about how nobody believed in them and that they only believed in each other... our fanbase is shitting on an undefeated team... smh.

We have plenty of guys to step up and overcome our lack of talent at receiver, especially Cam's performance this season. He's making those guys look better than they would for 90% of the league. Just because we're winning doesn't mean our receivers are world beaters. Philly Brown was clutch last night though.

[GoobyPls]

17 hours ago, panthers55 said:

Anyone who thought we played conservative last night or thought the coaches weren't doing a good job have an agenda and don't have a clue. Indy loaded the box often doubled up on Olsen, brought 5 or 6 guys and dared us to pass. We ran and passed as best we could. Obviously the wind and rain made it hard to pass so we ran a lot.  Not conservative so much as conditions dictated play calling a lot. Anyone with half a brain could see that.

Not surprised with the thread given the OP is a huge Shula and Rivera critic. Like usual he has no clue.

Who the hell is talking about the first half? I talking about the 4th quarter in which we took the ball out of our best players hands and let our RB and crippled line decide the game.

 

[panthers55]

7 hours ago, GoobyPls said:

Who the hell is talking about the first half? I talking about the 4th quarter in which we took the ball out of our best players hands and let our RB and crippled line decide the game.

 

You ignore the context and situation and see the game but have no clue.  A team doesnt suddenly go from being very aggressive to conservative unless there are very good reasons.  Like being up with 10 minutes left by 17 against a team and quarterback who had 40 yards passing and 3 picks to that point.  You are a defensive minded team with a banged up line and receivers who couldnt hold onto the ball all day. Your quarterback has not played well and has thrown 2 interceptions and several balls that skipped on the ground or were thrown 5 feet over the receiver's head.  And some of this during the third and fourth period when the rain had slacked of 

So you figure if you pass and have incomplete passes you stop the clock and help them out so you run on first and second down and pass on third down. Worse case scenario you kick and make them march all the way down the field instead of throwing another pick and giving them great field position or worse still a pick 6.

Truth is the philosophy would have worked except for the stupid mystery penalties which stops 2 drives to three and out instead of first downs to run out the clock. 

There is a time to be aggressive and other times when that philosophy is foolhardy.  Rivera knows the difference and apparently you dont. It is easy to be an armchair quarterback after the fact and say we should have done this or that but at the time Ron did the only sensible thing.  And we won the game which is the point.  So save the criticism until we at least lose a game.  And you will get your chance because we arent going undefeated.  

[Pantherxtreme]

when we're up 17 points in the 4th quarter, I hope the Panthers coaching staff strategy is to run and eat up that clock everytime, that's call situational football, we weren't conservative sitting on a 3 point or touchdown lead, we were using the clock against the Colts.

Indy played tough and almost beat the odds, but credit to them, you guys act like we should blow everybody out, we had a sound strategy but Indy began to counter punch and our defense was gassed, eventually our offense and defense stepped up at the end to seal a win against an desperate opponent, that's why they call it competitive sports. 

[mc52beast]

What bothers me the most is our defense and that Taco Bell soft shell they go into if we're up more than 10 points... keep the freaking pedal to the metal and don't let up... 

maybe that's why I'm not a HC

[GoobyPls]

14 hours ago, Pantherxtreme said:

when we're up 17 points in the 4th quarter, I hope the Panthers coaching staff strategy is to run and eat up that clock everytime, that's call situational football, we weren't conservative sitting on a 3 point or touchdown lead, we were using the clock against the Colts.

Indy played tough and almost beat the odds, but credit to them, you guys act like we should blow everybody out, we had a sound strategy but Indy began to counter punch and our defense was gassed, eventually our offense and defense stepped up at the end to seal a win against an desperate opponent, that's why they call it competitive sports. 

 

15 hours ago, panthers55 said:

You ignore the context and situation and see the game but have no clue.  A team doesnt suddenly go from being very aggressive to conservative unless there are very good reasons.  Like being up with 10 minutes left by 17 against a team and quarterback who had 40 yards passing and 3 picks to that point.  You are a defensive minded team with a banged up line and receivers who couldnt hold onto the ball all day. Your quarterback has not played well and has thrown 2 interceptions and several balls that skipped on the ground or were thrown 5 feet over the receiver's head.  And some of this during the third and fourth period when the rain had slacked of 

So you figure if you pass and have incomplete passes you stop the clock and help them out so you run on first and second down and pass on third down. Worse case scenario you kick and make them march all the way down the field instead of throwing another pick and giving them great field position or worse still a pick 6.

Truth is the philosophy would have worked except for the stupid mystery penalties which stops 2 drives to three and out instead of first downs to run out the clock. 

There is a time to be aggressive and other times when that philosophy is foolhardy.  Rivera knows the difference and apparently you dont. It is easy to be an armchair quarterback after the fact and say we should have done this or that but at the time Ron did the only sensible thing.  And we won the game which is the point.  So save the criticism until we at least lose a game.  And you will get your chance because we arent going undefeated.  

Your forgetting one little detail, when our offense got the ball back we were only up by 10 points with 9 minutes left. Playing against a QB KNOWN for 4th quarter comebacks.  And we still decided to run with an injured line, and all the meanwhile the rain had stop. And if your thinking about throwing a int and that just goes to show how much faith you have in Cam. All I know is that Cam was hot throwing the ball, so there was no reason to go full blown conservative.

 

Funny thing is if we lost the game you would be signing a different tune, the fact is this game shouldn't have been close. You let teams hang around and ask the packers what happen last season.

[panthers55]

6 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

 

Your forgetting one little detail, when our offense got the ball back we were only up by 10 points with 9 minutes left. Playing against a QB KNOWN for 4th quarter comebacks.  And we still decided to run with an injured line, and all the meanwhile the rain had stop. And if your thinking about throwing a int and that just goes to show how much faith you have in Cam. All I know is that Cam was hot throwing the ball, so there was no reason to go full blown conservative.

 

Funny thing is if we lost the game you would be signing a different tune, the fact is this game shouldn't have been close. You let teams hang around and ask the packers what happen last season.

Total armchair quarterbacking  and revisionist history. Cam was not hot. For the game he was 16 for 35 which wasn't  a 50 % completion rate. His rating for the game was a 33.9. He was inaccurate and throwing it all over the place.  

But it doesn't matter because you have an agenda and are immune to logic so I won't waste my time especially since we did win. We didn't lose so my tune is fine. When we do lose then you might have a point. Until then I have no time for your constant criticism of the coaches for no good reason. Like I said earlier if you keep bitching you will eventually be right when we do lose and we will. You remind me of a broken clock that is still right 2 times a day.

[GoobyPls]

1 hour ago, panthers55 said:

Total armchair quarterbacking  and revisionist history. Cam was not hot. For the game he was 16 for 35 which wasn't  a 50 % completion rate. His rating for the game was a 33.9. He was inaccurate and throwing it all over the place.  

But it doesn't matter because you have an agenda and are immune to logic so I won't waste my time especially since we did win. We didn't lose so my tune is fine. When we do lose then you might have a point. Until then I have no time for your constant criticism of the coaches for no good reason. Like I said earlier if you keep bitching you will eventually be right when we do lose and we will. You remind me of a broken clock that is still right 2 times a day.

actually in the previous 3 possession before going conservative Cam was 4-6 60 yards and  2 TD. But yeah he wasn't hot at the time

Keep dancing around something that almost cost us the game