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Money Ball : Panthers Vs Oakland A's : 2013 : 2014 : 2015

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2013 : Gettleman gets here and goes for the Jugular - Starts gutting this team to the same formula and starts doing some WILD poo.... were that player that doesn't know we've hit the home run. Not just with talent : But with Coaching. We have a team from both the most successful period of San Diego Chargers. Ron, Wilks and the Most successful period of FOxs... and we get them for Cheap. Gentleman goes to work... and of course just like anything else... it takes time - time to buy into whats being done. Gentleman was behind the Giants TWICE run at the Super Bowl and beat BELLIChick TWICE..with the same formula we have no. Small 5th round corner called Josh Norman gets benched for not getting that its not all about ability but you have to be more cerebral....  We question EVERY WIN... all the way to the playoffs and get exposed Oakland A's style in the playoffs. In the playoffs you have to show up with TALENT. You just can't be good enough - You have to be loaded with Talent and depth. 49'ers are beyond Loaded and have played us before and they know were a bunch of doubting thomasses that don't realize what we have yet.. they go all out with mind games and Panthers Collapse.. Alam Dulliliahi this is the NFL not baseball.... 

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2014 : Gettleman rewatches moneyball... and goes all out. Steve Smith out, Hardy out, Cam Car accident : Ankle Surgery : Heck I'm almost getting evicted off my bad ass apartment : Rons house is burning down and of course it takes a mental toll.

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Gettlemagic Smiles : He's been here before and seen Manning just break down into pieces, He has seen UDFAS over and over again go from nothing to having one thousand receivers and also 7 interception games by manning. The team mentally moves on from Hardy and start doing what they are built for... DOMINATING and they start shaking off the rust and of course we get into the playoffs... Again we get exposed... You have to protect Cam and you have to be TOUGH. Panthers allow Cam Chancellor to show case his Physique and don't respond with a trick play or something... they are playing scared ... oh no seattle this 12th man is loud, Sherman is the second coming of jesus christ ( i was in seattle for the game : Beautiful city). the Most important thing is the team start buying into whats being preached. They understand Steve just had to go... its not about steve smith being born in Los angeles in a bad neighborhood or being the toughest player in the team, it wasn't about Hardy being the best on the field, it wasn't about this or that... its about MOVING THE DAMN BALL and stopping the other team. Its about trusting that from the top to the bottom... we have one of the best and most talented team on the NFL. Rookies are not coming here to be rookies... they are coming here to get out to the field and get third down completions over and over again. You're coming here to play and WIN... no exceptions.

 

2015 : Team just LOADS up : not on talent but on toughness. The team is making moves and he team Starts playing like it and they can SMELL BLOOD. There is nothing such as a soft team in the NFL especially at the begging of the Season .. everyone is healthy and boy they start piling up wins. Heck Luke and CJ take vacations and for some unforeseen reason ... we get Jared allen. We don't need him to produce 100% just 15% of the time. Everyone is all in ... When carolina leaves after a game - This is what you're getting. People working night and day to make sure cam-superman-upside-09-20-15.png

 

Really Not Even Remotely scared Of GreenBay. 

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Man you should really keep to posting poo this long off your cell phone. The funky punctuation, sentence structure and lack of parallelism made it very difficult to read. Ellipses are not periods. 

 

But yeah, like everyone else said; we play the Colts this week. 

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Let me attempt to save this thread with something that is coherent and people can understand.

The "Moneyball" Oakland A's were from the early 2000's. Contrary to the negative and cheap connotation associated with the term "Moneyball", the "Moneyball" Oakland A's were loaded with talent. The term was coined from the book and just describes the ability to find in efficiencies in the market, which actually does parallel well to Gettleman's style. Kurt Coleman, Michael Oher and Ted Ginn Jr. are all prime examples of what would be considered "Moneyball" players. The movie was doctored up Hollywood garbage and didn't reflect this strategy accurately really in any way whatsoever. 

The last rendition of the "Moneyball" Oakland A's that you cite aren't really "Moneyball" at all. It is an example of a small market team that made multiple trades for underrated players that fit together very well. With the like of Brandon Moss, Josh Donaldson, Yoenis Cespedes, Coco Crisp, Sean Doolittle and others, the Oakland A's won the division on the last day of the season in 2012. They went on to win again in 2013. Then in 2014 they dominated everyone. They were scoring more runs than any other team in baseball, while giving up among the fewest with one of the best team ERA's in the league. These teams didn't get "exposed" in the playoffs. They ran into the buzz saw known as Justin Verlander who was, as expected, dominant. Billy Beane then tried to change the team to overcome Verlander specifically by trading Cespedes for Jon Lester, who was having an amazing season and whom he thought could take on Verlander in a game 5 situation, this getting them over the hump. 

Instead, the team completely collapsed without Cespedes and barely squeaked into a one game wild-card situation, where Lester COMPLETELY crapped the bed against KC, and the A's have been a train wreck ever since, jettisoning even more of their young talent. 

So if you really want to compare, the Carolina Panthers of 2013, 2014, and 2015 are like the Oakland A's of 2012, 2013, and 2014 if anything else. The Seahawks are like the Tigers, Kam Chancellor is a fuger like Verlander, and if the Panthers trade for Steve Smith he'll be like Jon Lester all over again and sink the god damn ship. 

So let's keep what we have, let's beat the Tigers in game 5 (Seahawks in the playoffs) and roll on to win a World Series (Super Bowl). 

You're Welcome. 

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14 minutes ago, Montsta said:

Let me attempt to save this thread with something that is coherent and people can understand.

The "Moneyball" Oakland A's were from the early 2000's. Contrary to the negative and cheap connotation associated with the term "Moneyball", the "Moneyball" Oakland A's were loaded with talent. The term was coined from the book and just describes the ability to find in efficiencies in the market, which actually does parallel well to Gettleman's style. Kurt Coleman, Michael Oher and Ted Ginn Jr. are all prime examples of what would be considered "Moneyball" players. The movie was doctored up Hollywood garbage and didn't reflect this strategy accurately really in any way whatsoever. 

 

Yeah really money ball is the theory you make moves if you think it will make you younger, better, cheaper. 

Be competitive and follow your program but not necessarily expect Championships. This worked in Oakland where they had an aging ballpark and don't draw like the big boys. You saw last year when the As went completely out of their comfort zone trading for Vets like Jon Lester etc.

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As a huge fan and proponent of the Moneyball approach i don't think think this is apples to apples.

Bill Beane took data nobody else was focusing on and made it work to his advantage.

The biggest thing for him was how good he is at driving up the value of a pitcher and get multiple picks in return. Rinse repeat.

 

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I think my IQ dropped a few points trying to read that, so I stopped after the first "sentence."  Do people not understand the purpose of English classes in grade school?  It's so that you can communicate effectively.  This thread is a prime example of a complete disregard for basic rules of grammar and communication.

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