The tables have turned in the Cam vs Luck debate

[TheRed]

Steve young is considerd an all time great in the nfl, correct?  Doing so with rushing td's as a part of his greatness, correct?

Cam is going to destry his records and he is in year 5.  Looking for things wrong with cam right now is reaching michal jordan in space jam style right now.

 

Unfortunately, there will always be a few of those "Yeah, but..." fans around when it comes to acknowledging Newton's success which has greatly fueled the rise of this franchise.

[Davidson Deac II]

Not sure about the poster I quoted, but I definitely watch the games.

I put the interceptions more on the learning curve with our current WR group right now. When you have a situation like we do with our WR's, sometimes interceptions are just going to happen unfortunately. Cam needs to tighten up a bit here and there, but our WR's are also going to have to bail him out sometimes if we want to make a deep playoff run.

 

My post was in reference to the poster that you were quoting, not you. 

[Mr. Scot]

So no one is worried about Cam's performance since the bye?  2 TDs and 5 INTs won't win a super bowl, and in all honesty it won't even get us there.

He can be better and needs to be better.

Wins are fantastic but like we've said so many times with Luck they surrounded him with offensive talent and the Panthers surrounded Cam with a running game and a great defense.  Reminds me more of Russell Wilson and how they went through those winning seasons.  Ultimately though the QB has to make good throws.  Cam has a few throws that simply can't be done by many other guys in the league, however, he also makes some throws that puts the defense in bad situations.  Luck's defense would give up touchdowns in those situations, the Panthers hold defenses to field goals or stop them in their tracks.  That's the biggest difference right now.

I wouldn't consider lots of receivers, mediocre at best runningbacks and a pitiful offensive line to be "surrounded with offensive talent".

They've basically loaded one position group.  That's it. Everything else is underwhelming (and that's being generous).

The results speak volumes.

[top dawg]

I think what's being shown is that if you have a good quarterback, it's more important to have a good offensive line than big name receiver talent. 

I would kind of buy that argument, but the O-lines are not that far apart.  A good O-line abd good weapons on offense are not mutually exclusive.

[teeray]

Cam = CM Punk

Luck = John Cena

Rivera = Paul Heyman

Goodell = Vince McMahon

Substitute those names and this promo is what I think about it

[tiger7_88]

I think what's being shown is that if you have a good team, it's more important to have good offensive and defensive lines than big name receiver and defensive back talent. 

Fixed it for you (above).

(It ALL begins and ends with the talent on the LOS.)

[L-TownCat]

How many 3rd & whatever's have we seen Cam convert?

without those rediculous drive saving plays we don't win again, ever.

[KissMyConverse]

So no one is worried about Cam's performance since the bye?  2 TDs and 5 INTs won't win a super bowl, and in all honesty it won't even get us there.

He can be better and needs to be better.

Wins are fantastic but like we've said so many times with Luck they surrounded him with offensive talent and the Panthers surrounded Cam with a running game and a great defense.  Reminds me more of Russell Wilson and how they went through those winning seasons.  Ultimately though the QB has to make good throws.  Cam has a few throws that simply can't be done by many other guys in the league, however, he also makes some throws that puts the defense in bad situations.  Luck's defense would give up touchdowns in those situations, the Panthers hold defenses to field goals or stop them in their tracks.  That's the biggest difference right now.

Throwing out stats without analyzing the situation is just not good form. YES Cam only has two TD's and 5 ints since the bye. He does also have two rushing TDs....

But lets start with the negative. 5 ints. Cam has thrown 2 ints that were on him. And both of them were better plays by the defense than they were a poor decision by the QB. The other 3 ints were not exactly on him. He made the right read in Seattle that would have been a TD to Ginn but his arm got hit. He didn't hold on to the ball too long, it was a deep route and a hell of a play by the DE.

Against Philly we all know damn good and well Ginn was down... but its crazy that a 19 yard throw and FUMBLE goes down as an int... 

Yes he may have rocketed in too hard but Funchess is an NFL WR an should have caught that ball on the run for the TD instead alligator arms int.

 

But more importantly if you want to focus on Stats.... 2 TDs. BUT Stew's two 1 yard TDs could have easily been 2 Olsen TDs (So Cam is at 4 TDs) And Tolbert's 1 yard score could have been a Philly TD. (Putting Cam at 5 TDs) 

So Cam could easily have 5 TDs through the air with 2 more Rushing TDs to boot and subtract 2 ints that were not on him and you're looking at 7 total TDs vs 3 Ints since the bye...

 

That's not what happened. But those "could have been TDs" were 1 yard runs that still put 6 on the board...

So to answer the question. No, I am not worried about Cam. 

[joemac]

Cam has really had more receivers tackled at the one than anyone I've ever seen. He could easily have about 20 more passing TDs.

[KB_fan]

So no one is worried about Cam's performance since the bye?  2 TDs and 5 INTs won't win a super bowl, and in all honesty it won't even get us there.

Cam has had 4 TDs since the Bye - 2 passing TDs (Olsen & Tolbert) and 2 rushing TDs.

[teeray]

So no one is worried about Cam's performance since the bye?  2 TDs and 5 INTs won't win a super bowl, and in all honesty it won't even get us there.

Not at all.  3 of those were not really his fault, 1 other was just an awesome defensive play.  Only 1 of them was really egregious (1st pick against Seattle)

[csx]

Not at all.  3 of those were not really his fault, 1 other was just an awesome defensive play.  Only 1 of them was really egregious (1st pick against Seattle)

the one on the sideline to Whittaker was a bad decision.

[teeray]

the one on the sideline to Whittaker was a bad decision.

Maybe, that is why I didnt include it in the ones that wasnt his fault because he could have just thrown it away considering the time and score   But it took an incredible play by the CB to intercept that ball, and I chalk it more up to a great defensive play than a bad throw.

 

[TheRed]

People make too much of interceptions sometimes.

I think maybe 2-3 of those interceptions were passes that Cam probably just should not have thrown.

Then you have the gaffes from our receivers like for example, Norwood whiffing on a pass which resulted in an interception at the goal line. Ginn with that catch that somehow turned into an interception against the Eagles, and Funchess with the tipped pass over the middle turned into another interception. We could cut at least half of those out just by better fundamentals from our WR's alone.

I find it hilarious that anyone would really try to keep score with this considering what we have given Newton to work with this year WR wise. There are maybe 2 or 3 quarterbacks in this league who could will their football team to 6-0 with this WR group. So quit whining, and enjoy the football season.