Jump to content
  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

The tables have turned in the Cam vs Luck debate


top dawg

Recommended Posts

I remember around this time last year when Cam Newton vs. Andrew Luck posts would pop up. I say "posts" because threads about Cam would somehow morph into Luck > Cam debates (and sometimes even Russel Wilson and Ryan Tannehill would be thrown into the mix). No matter how much Cam supporters would talk about the need for perspective, the Luck-e-fanboys would always come and dismiss such arguments as "homerism" or the grasping of straws by Cam apologists. 

Amid arguments about O-line protection (then and now), Cam's relative lack of experience in regards to his collegiate and pro careers, the fact that his career passer rating was roughly the same as Luck's, and the fact that it's kind of difficult to judge the importance of Cam's running prowess, the main point of contention was that Cam didn't have the offensive weapons.  Well, Cam still doesn't have the class of weapons that Luck has, but it certainly hasn't mattered this season. Cam is showing his mettle, and Luck...well, he's wilting. Isn't it ironic that in a year that many football fans and pundits thought that Cam would be mired in the quicksand of mediocrity and Luck would further his push towards football immortality, that Cam is steadily cracking that glass ceiling that the ignorant thought would hold him down while Luck seems lost within the clouds?

Now, the story is still being written for Cam, Luck and all of the young field generals of the day. And I am not saying that Luck will never be great, or that Cam is a football god. But, what I am saying is that Luck was never the cut-and-dried superior QB that his fans---some now, apologists---tried to make him out to be. Cam is squarely in Luck's league...literally and figuratively. Cam has always arguably done more with less, and his success on the field this year in light of that fact is sweet vindication for his most stalwart supporters. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

So no one is worried about Cam's performance since the bye?  2 TDs and 5 INTs won't win a super bowl, and in all honesty it won't even get us there.

He can be better and needs to be better.

Wins are fantastic but like we've said so many times with Luck they surrounded him with offensive talent and the Panthers surrounded Cam with a running game and a great defense.  Reminds me more of Russell Wilson and how they went through those winning seasons.  Ultimately though the QB has to make good throws.  Cam has a few throws that simply can't be done by many other guys in the league, however, he also makes some throws that puts the defense in bad situations.  Luck's defense would give up touchdowns in those situations, the Panthers hold defenses to field goals or stop them in their tracks.  That's the biggest difference right now.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

So no one is worried about Cam's performance since the bye?  2 TDs and 5 INTs won't win a super bowl, and in all honesty it won't even get us there.

He can be better and needs to be better.

Wins are fantastic but like we've said so many times with Luck they surrounded him with offensive talent and the Panthers surrounded Cam with a running game and a great defense.  Reminds me more of Russell Wilson and how they went through those winning seasons.  Ultimately though the QB has to make good throws.  Cam has a few throws that simply can't be done by many other guys in the league, however, he also makes some throws that puts the defense in bad situations.  Luck's defense would give up touchdowns in those situations, the Panthers hold defenses to field goals or stop them in their tracks.  That's the biggest difference right now.

Cam is performing fine. Like 2 out of 5 ints were actual bad throws instead of bounced off open receiver's palms into a db's hands. Or just wrestled out on the ground weirdly,

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.


  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/12642811-can-i-change-the-name-on-my-cruise-reservation-guest-service-24hr-short
    • I'm not a fan for a couple reasons. You have to nail your 1st 2 picks, especially when you're lacking as much talent across the board as we were and you traded away the number 1 overall pick. Barring injury, they need to be immediate 4 year starters, and on this team, that's a pretty low bar to hurdle. I also really hated the FA strategy building up to the draft, particularly the guards, and the draft strategy itself. A strategy that focused on building around a QB that was so terrible he had no business being on the field. It was clear to pretty much everyone, BY wasn't ready to be an NFL starter. We dumped everything to build around him in the hopes he would become what we drafted him to be. And while the end of the year started showing some promise, we still don't know going into year 3 if he's going to live up to the hype. Dumping all your resources to build around a single player (and hope for the best) isn't as important as building a complete team.  If there's any certainty in drafting, it's HQ interior linemen are found in rounds 2-3, and even 4 pretty regularly. Dumping a ton of FA cash into those 2 spots didn't make sense when we have so many holes. Draft guards, pay tackles. It's one of the staple principles of oline building.  XL was always a project. He didn't have years of consistent high end performance in college. His hands are bricks, he body catches a lot, and he looks more like a 4th round receiver than a 1st. Maybe he improves, maybe not. He looked extremely raw as a rookie and we can only hope he might develop by the time his rookie contract expires. I'm always a fan of drafting guys that actually have hands coming out of college. Who cares if you can get open, or fight for the ball, when you can't actually come down with it consistently.  Then we get to Brooks. Taking a RB with a torn ACL who may or may not see the field in 24/25 over Zach Frasier, who already looks the vet at a position we've been severely deficient at since pre-injury Ryan Kalil. Relying on Corbett, coming off injury, to move from guard to center is never ideal, and the injury bug bit yet again, and we were scrambling trying to find someone to lead our 200m offensive line. And the worst part, we traded up to do it giving up 2 5ths to take Brooks when we're lacking talent everywhere.  Wallace, meh. Sanders looked good before that neck injury. But now we're into day 3 where expectations aren't extremely high for making the roster, unless it's the Panthers, but you can find some position players and rotational players to start plugging the Swiss cheese roster.  I give him credit for getting Coker as an UDFA and the trade for Jackson, but if that's the highlight of your draft, there's some serious problems with your drafting.  If we had saved the FA money spent on the guards, drafted JPJ and Frazier, and still been in pretty close to the same spot, better off cash wise (or spent on other FAs) going into FA this year. Coker ended up playing better than XL in less time. Brooks is Eric Shelton 2.0 right now. And we used 5 picks in the 1st 2 rounds, if you count those included in the trades. That's too much given up for a team that won 2 games the year prior. JMO, but I think the whole offseason strategy last year was flawed from start to finish.  
    • Everything hinges on his ability to build through the draft so it's unknown until we see the upcoming draft class in action. That's all that will ultimately matter. We cannot afford anymore duds or projects especially in the early rounds.
×
×
  • Create New...