Has "Shula" Redeemed Himself?

[zacka77ack]

yeah I dont.  Even though I've played and have been watching football since birth.  Shula calls the wrongs plays so Cam has to audible to a different one.  Shula still sucks because he clearly can't see what Cam does 

The entire purpose of the audible system is there for quarterbacks to use when they recognize the coverage. Recognizing coverages can't be done until AFTER the play is called, and AFTER the defense lines up.  The audibles are created by Shula, installed at walk throughs and added to the game plans by Shula.  You're grasping at straws.

[punkpanther]

" maybe" there are still alot of games to play.

[EightyNine]

yeah I dont.  Even though I've played and have been watching football since birth.  Shula calls the wrongs plays so Cam has to audible to a different one.  Shula still sucks because he clearly can't see what Cam does 

Well then its even more surprising that you would think that with all your experience watching and playing.

[Udogg]

i feel like there are TONs of plays that every other team runs for easy yardage that just aren't in our playbook. roll outs, rub routes, and other things of that nature. we occasionally call screen passes but they are usually at the worst possible time and aren't effective at all.

 

we're also dead last in YAC and i think most people thought that would improve with KB out and two speedsters at receiver. i think his play design must be pretty shitty.

This is a valid critique of Shula, not the normal Shula sucks crap. 

I agree with the rub/crossing routes.  The Patriots run that all the time on damn near every play.  I just don't think we have the amendola,  Eddleman type quickness to run it effectively.  They are also running it within like 3 seconds of the snap, tbh it's very hard to run effectively.   However the intermediate 12-17 yard down the field rub crossing routes we could defintely run.  No one has been able to guard Ginn on a shallow cross yet. 

We ran a really quick developing screen to Stewart a few times that were really well executed.  I think we could run more. The Bubble Screens don't work as well because DE's are more conscious of running up the field because of Cam.  It actually hurts our screen game I think.

Watching film, it seems like Ed Dickson is never guarded.or our big heavy run sets.  I think he is underutilized.

The YAC , tbh it's mostly on Cam.  There are a lot of passes that if thrown properly could gain some YAC. but Cam is a throw to open guy and not a throw a guy open type of QB.  Lots of the YAC guys are throwing the ball before the WR finishes his route.

[JawnyBlaze]

Shula is well on his way to redeeming himself.  And it's only "players executing better" (the mantra of the Shula slurpers around here) if you only look at stats and poo and don't actually watch the games.  We haven't seen many of the "flea flickers to Cotchery" style full retard plays.  The only ridiculously bad play I remember all year long was the bubble screen to Bersin.  It doesn't take a PhD in football to understand that bubble screens need to go to quick twitch type players like Smitty.  Just being fast isn't enough, and Bersin isn't exactly fast.  Ginn wouldn't be a good bubble screen guy either, he has long speed, not twitchy speed.  I think the best player on our team for that play right now would probably be CAP.  He's also dialed back on his patented "double pump screens" which he was grossly overusing in the past.  We used to see that at LEAST one or two times a game.

So yea, I think he is indeed learning and improving.  Not ready to crown him a legit OC yet, but by the end of the GB game I very well might be.

 

[R0CKnR0LLA]

Are you suggesting he really isn't "Shula" and maybe just an "impostor"?

[panthers55]

This is a valid critique of Shula, not the normal Shula sucks crap. 

I agree with the rub/crossing routes.  The Patriots run that all the time on damn near every play.  I just don't think we have the amendola,  Eddleman type quickness to run it effectively.  They are also running it within like 3 seconds of the snap, tbh it's very hard to run effectively.   However the intermediate 12-17 yard down the field rub crossing routes we could defintely run.  No one has been able to guard Ginn on a shallow cross yet. 

We ran a really quick developing screen to Stewart a few times that were really well executed.  I think we could run more. The Bubble Screens don't work as well because DE's are more conscious of running up the field because of Cam.  It actually hurts our screen game I think.

Watching film, it seems like Ed Dickson is never guarded.or our big heavy run sets.  I think he is underutilized.

The YAC , tbh it's mostly on Cam.  There are a lot of passes that if thrown properly could gain some YAC. but Cam is a throw to open guy and not a throw a guy open type of QB.  Lots of the YAC guys are throwing the ball before the WR finishes his route.

It is a criticism but let's talk about its validity. If you have been watching our games you would know that we run rub routes. How well though? I can think of at least 2 offensive interference calls where our receivers were called for throwing picks which is a hard rub. And didn't Ginn score on a shallow route over the middle. We do run those plays but not on every series or as much as New England because they run a different offense with different personnel. So I agree with you that we don't run plays that don't fit our personnel. 

What about running rollouts? With Cam as your quarterback you wouldn't want to run rollouts.  You do that when you are Russell Wilson short or have a crappy O line. Not when you are 6-5 and have a decent O line. When you rollout you are essentially taking half of the field away unless you are running misdirection for a toss back to a back or receiver.  Otherwise by compressing the field you make it easier to defend and harder for Cam to find his spots. Remember accuracy is not his long suit. But throwing it vertically straight up the field because Newton is best at laser throws means you want to be in the middle of the field. He needs to throw seam routes and routes where the receiver runs under the ball. His worse throws are short passes to moving receivers. He seems to always through behind them because he still struggles to anticipate where the receiver will be. I could go on and on . But we don't do what other people do because it isnt what we do best. It isn't because the OC is too stupid to know what they are  or doesn't know how to coach it. I think Ricky has that covered. To make an offense that fits what Cam does best likely means we won't be running plays that everyone else runs if their offense is suited to their quarterback. After all who is as athletic and smart as Cam and is 6-5 and 250 lbs with a laser arm. 

[maddog1945]

I'm feeling a little better about him!  But you have got to remember he has a different OL.

Stewart is really helping his (Shula's) cause also. Plus his (Stewart's) own! 

Maybe he has figured out how to use what he's got. (Slow learner?)

He is keeping the heat off of him right now but we got a ways to go.

[Udogg]

It is a criticism but let's talk about its validity. If you have been watching our games you would know that we run rub routes. How well though? I can think of at least 2 offensive interference calls where our receivers were called for throwing picks which is a hard rub. And didn't Ginn score on a shallow route over the middle. We do run those plays but not on every series or as much as New England because they run a different offense with different personnel. So I agree with you that we don't run plays that don't fit our personnel. 

What about running rollouts? With Cam as your quarterback you wouldn't want to run rollouts.  You do that when you are Russell Wilson short or have a crappy O line. Not when you are 6-5 and have a decent O line. When you rollout you are essentially taking half of the field away unless you are running misdirection for a toss back to a back or receiver.  Otherwise by compressing the field you make it easier to defend and harder for Cam to find his spots. Remember accuracy is not his long suit. But throwing it vertically straight up the field because Newton is best at laser throws means you want to be in the middle of the field. He needs to throw seam routes and routes where the receiver runs under the ball. His worse throws are short passes to moving receivers. He seems to always through behind them because he still struggles to anticipate where the receiver will be. I could go on and on . But we don't do what other people do because it isnt what we do best. It isn't because the OC is too stupid to know what they are  or doesn't know how to coach it. I think Ricky has that covered. To make an offense that fits what Cam does best likely means we won't be running plays that everyone else runs if their offense is suited to their quarterback. After all who is as athletic and smart as Cam and is 6-5 and 250 lbs with a laser arm. 

It's not criticism it's discussion.  It's people's who pay attention job to inform and enlighten.

Yeah I have seen the rub routes that we run...  We don't run them well, but practice makes perfect.  I think with better execution we would be able to run them more effectively.  The Patriots are once again ahead of the curve.  With the excessive holding, PI calls these days it's like free money.  This is my opinion on what Shula could do more of.  I have defended Shula forever but that doesn't mean it's not valid to want some other things done offensively.

Ginn did score on a shallow cross... Watching the all 22 film he has been open (as in defender is trailing badly) every time he has run it. Think it should be used more.  Personnel wise like I said we don't have Amendola, Edelman, but Corey brown isn't a bad route runner at all.  Matter of fact I think he does it very well.  The only issue is he doesn't take the bumps very well.  The incidental ones down the field he doesn't recover.

Roll outs.. I agree. Don't want to see them.  I think most of the stuff we do, utilizes Cam arm strength well,  without a true number 1 we are actually very unpredictable.  The run game has really improved since the bye.  Runs that incorporate running behind Turner seem to always turn out good. That Turner/Kalil double team is beautiful, especially when the tight end pulls inside to seal... good stuff.  Runs where Oher just holds and seals and doesn't have to drive block are ok.  If you need him to move someone out of the hole, it doesn't usually turn out well. 

27 ppg is crazy to me.  Our record when we score 20 points ppg is awesome.  I like what we do "mostly".  I think there is room for though out discussion on the offense.   As long as it's not the usual, Shula sucks... or picking 1 play out of the game (the 3rd and 1) and using that as an excuse I'm good with it.

[CarolinasFinest]

are they giving out towels again monday night?

[stankowalski]

I think there are a number of factors involved in the apparent success we've had on offense.  All of which have been mentioned.  Offensive line is playing better, players are executing better...including Cam.  If we could get more consistent with catching the ball, we'd be even better.  

[Daddy_Uncle]

The answer was in the coaches box

[Clicheking]

I think a big problem in our offense is we didn't have the personal to run the scheme effectively. Didn't have the OL to move the pile, or pass block properly, nor the rb's to ground and pound(and stay healthy). Now that we have have both you can see the improvement. Never been a huge Shula supporter, but I also felt he didn't have the necessary players.

[Devil Doc]

I appreciate the discussions instead of being one sided and rubbing each other. Im not saying he has redeemed himself, I have noticed less bonehead play calls.