Could Colts history be repeating itself?

[davos]

Interesting story.

How different football history would have been if Polian got his way.

Seriously, that would have been insane.  Would it have still been the Skins to trade up?  Maybe the Rams would then have just stayed and drafted Luck.     

 

But no one was getting in Irsay's way about this, hence a big reason why Polian was canned (among other reasons)

[Mr. Scot]

Seriously, that would have been insane.  Would it have still been the Skins to trade up?  Maybe the Rams would then have just stayed and drafted Luck.     

But no one was getting in Irsay's way about this, hence a big reason why Polian was canned (among other reasons)

Knowing how abrasive Polian was, I sometimes marvel that he was ever hired here. He and Jerry Richardson are just polar opposites.

By contrast, Richardson and Gettleman are like two peas in a pod.

[MadHatter]

I'm noticing some interesting historical parallels between this season and the Colts at the end of the Peyton Manning era.

Looking back at the 2011 Colts, you had...

- a losing season

- turmoil inside the organization

- an injured quarterback

After that disaster of a year, the team cleaned house. Team owner Jim Irsay replaced the GM (Bill Polian) the head coach (Jim Caldwell) and the team's franchise quarterback (Manning).

Fast forward to 2015. What do you see in Indy? 

- a season going badly

- turmoil inside the organization

- an injured quarterback

So could it be time to clean house again?

Let's examine...

Pagano is pretty much gone. Few doubt that. There was some thought that Grigson might be okay.  Recent stories, however, may be casting some doubt on that idea.

But what about Luck?

Surely, the team wouldn't dump its young cornerstone quarterback this quickly.

Would they?

Well, a couple of things to consider:

- New GMs and coaches often want their own quarterbacks, and Luck could be viewed as damaged goods depending on the severity of his injuries.

- Luck is expected to net a jaw-dropping contract in short order. Will a new coach and GM be willing to pay that based on what they're seeing right now?

- The Colts are likely to finish the season with a high draft pick, one that could be used to take a new, young franchise quarterback with no history or injury issues (and a significantly cheaper price tag).

- Even now, you could likely get a pretty good deal on draft picks and/or players in exchange for Luck. Might be just the kind of thing a franchise in need of a rebuild could use.

- There's also the crazy owner factor. Irsay is more than a little off, and he's already dumped one franchise quarterback who proved to have something left  in the tank.

So who knows?

My gut tells me that Pagano and Grigson will be sent packing, but not Luck. I don't see his injury being enough for them to bail on him just yet. And even with this season's struggles, there's still plenty of reason to believe he's a franchise quarterback.

Whomever is given the reins of the Colts future (Sean Payton has been speculated) will look to do a better job building around him than the previous regime did.

But could the Colts actually decide to start over completely?

I'd say it's possible.

The Colts are NOT going to end up with a high draft pick.  They are still likely to win the AFC South.

[janderson20vt]

Dumbest thing I've ever seen here.

Luck just threw 40 touchdowns last year. He has an injury, is going through a rough patch, and has a lameduck coach. The GM and coaching staff will change but he isn't going anywhere. 

[uncfan888]

Anyone watching the big bang theory is on the not to be trusted list

Never seen an episode in my life 

[PntherPryd]

Seriously, that would have been insane.  Would it have still been the Skins to trade up?  Maybe the Rams would then have just stayed and drafted Luck.     

 

But no one was getting in Irsay's way about this, hence a big reason why Polian was canned (among other reasons)

Bill Polian is hilarious with his revisionist memory.  But as I recall it was Tony Dungy calling for RGIII, not Polian.  And Polian was canned well before the decision was made anyway.

[csx]

Bill Polian is hilarious with his revisionist memory.  But as I recall it was Tony Dungy calling for RGIII, not Polian.  And Polian was canned well before the decision was made anyway.

Dungy left the Colts in 2008

[CarolinaCoolin]

What as what a shitty thread

[davos]

Bill Polian is hilarious with his revisionist memory.  But as I recall it was Tony Dungy calling for RGIII, not Polian.  And Polian was canned well before the decision was made anyway.

What your saying is simply not the case.  It was in the early stages of the pre-draft build up when Ault had been getting his feelers out to the team scouts about prospects out west/mountain west/southwest and got Bill huge on the RGIII wagon.  There were a lot of behind the scenes factors that Chris and Bill did to rile Irsay's feathers before he went "hands-on" for better or worse (Looks like worse regardless of which QB they chose).  (*edit: don't want to put words to a name without consent so take it for what it's worth)

[PntherPryd]

What your saying is simply not the case.  It was in the early stages of the pre-draft build up when Ault had been getting his feelers out to the team scouts about prospects out west/mountain west/southwest and got Bill huge on the RGIII wagon.  There were a lot of behind the scenes factors that Chris and Bill did to rile Irsay's feathers before he went "hands-on" for better or worse (Looks like worse regardless of which QB they chose).  (*edit: don't want to put words to a name without consent so take it for what it's worth)

You sound like you know what you are talking about.  And I take whatever Bill Polian says with a trainload of salt.....

But the fact is Bill and his son and Caldwell were fired in January of 2012.  Even if the decision had already been made to select Luck, which I'm sure it was, it could have been changed at any time by Irsay or the new regime.  So it sounds pretty weak to blame/credit Polian with drafting Luck.

Polian himself will take credit for it while Luck is playing well and will play the RGIII card if he continues to throw picks.  That is what a career GM does.

And CSX, I fully realize Dungy was not with the organization.  But he was openly pushing for RGIII from the media sidelines.

 

[Gazi]

I was just listening to Bomani Jones on ESPN radio and he mentioned the fact that Luck has almost double the amount of TD passes when down 21 points than Tom Brady has in the same situation in his entire career. 20+ TD passes came when the teams were on cruise control. He's also saying that the teams have figured him out. That's what they used to say about Cam, but Cam had more room to grow.

[Gazi]

And no, he will not be fuging dropped no matter who the GM is next year. This is just as silly as people calling for DA to replace Cam. 

[davos]

You sound like you know what you are talking about.  And I take whatever Bill Polian says with a trainload of salt.....

But the fact is Bill and his son and Caldwell were fired in January of 2012.  Even if the decision had already been made to select Luck, which I'm sure it was, it could have been changed at any time by Irsay or the new regime.  So it sounds pretty weak to blame/credit Polian with drafting Luck.

Polian himself will take credit for it while Luck is playing well and will play the RGIII card if he continues to throw picks.  That is what a career GM does.

And CSX, I fully realize Dungy was not with the organization.  But he was openly pushing for RGIII from the media sidelines.

 

I wouldn't credit Polian with drafting Luck, actually the opposite.  Teams scout late in the year before Jan rolls around...it became a split office and really no one was really running things correctly.  Irsay pulled the trigger on Luck which is probably the organization's only good move in however many years. 

[juliosantos]

Lucks not going anywhere lol