Blandino on Ginn interception

[RevJ]

Gotta be honest - I thought that was the right call. Looked completely different but same as ball bouncing off Funchess - it would have been incomplete until Eagle's D came up with it.

What do I know - I also understood them having to give the PI after it was ruled the pass wasn't tipped.  

I'm not totally in the refs pocket - I would have called attempted murder on a few of the moves to keep KK out of the play. 

[CPantherKing]

So you can't run when someone is trying to tackle you. 

The action of a tackle implies a runner. The action of a pass defensed implies a receiver. So, if someone is trying to tackle you, then you are a runner.

Carroll was in the process of defending a pass since Ginn was in the process of completing a catch. Ginn is not a runner until he demonstrates he can avoid or separate from contact after completing the process of the catch.

You have runners and receivers. You need to differentiate between the two.

Receivers are never in the process of running with the ball.

Runners are never in the process of catching the ball.

The key for the officials is determining if an offensive player is a receiver or runner.

[CPantherKing]

So, what happens when DB's start punching at the ball while the receiver is on the ground?

If the receiver was in contact with a defender while completing the catch, then it is considered a pass defensed.

If the receiver is not in contact with a defender and just laying on the ground after securing the pass, then the receiver is now a runner and it becomes a fumble if the defender only contacts the ball, or a tackle if he touches the runner before dislodging the ball.

The receiver is a runner once the receiver demonstrates a secured pass and has established he is avoiding contact or breaking contact.

[Snake]

If the receiver was in contact with a defender while completing the catch, then it is considered a pass defensed.

If the receiver is not in contact with a defender and just laying on the ground after securing the pass, then the receiver is now a runner and it becomes a fumble if the defender only contacts the ball, or a tackle if he touches the runner before dislodging the ball.

The receiver is a runner once the receiver demonstrates a secured pass and has established he is avoiding contact or breaking contact.

What you are saying is a catch but not down by ccontact. Players can make football moves while being defensed. Ginn had secured the ball it was ripped out.  The only question was is he down by contact or is it a fumble. 

[CPantherKing]

What you are saying is a catch but not down by ccontact. Players can make football moves while being defensed. Ginn had secured the ball it was ripped out.  The only question was is he down by contact or is it a fumble. 

Incorrect. Ginn secured the ball. Ginn never became a runner. Ginn was going to the ground after the catch. Ginn did not maintain control of the ball AFTER he contacted the ground. The loss of control and contacting the ground were simultaneous.

You cannot be down by contact if you are not a runner.

You cannot fumble the ball unless you are a runner.

Ginn was never a runner.

The use of "football move" is no longer used. The exact wording is:

3-7-2 NFL Rule Book

"Possession of Loose Ball. To gain possession of a loose ball that has been caught, intercepted, or recovered, a player must have complete control of the ball and have both feet or any other part of his body, other than his hands, completely on the ground inbounds, and then maintain control of the ball until he has clearly become a runner. A player becomes a runner when he is capable of avoiding or warding off impending contact of an opponent. If the player loses the ball while simultaneously touching both feet or any other part of his body to the ground, there is no possession. This rule applies in the field of play and in the end zone."

"Note 1: A player who goes to the ground in the process of attempting to secure possession of a loose ball (with or without contact by an opponent) must maintain control of the ball until after his contact with the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone. If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches the ground before he regains control, there is no possession. If he regains control prior to the ball touching the ground, it is a catch, interception, or recovery. A player is considered to be going to the ground if he does not remain upright long enough to demonstrate that he is clearly a runner."

 

[SixMileDrive]

the catch rule has been explained a million times since megatron in chicago a few years back.  the call was consistent with how theyve been ruling it imo.

Yeah....they changed the rule this offseason.