Chancellor fined for spearing Kalil

[PantherPhann89]

Good call...

[PantherRN]

Good, it was a blatant spear meant to injury Kalil. I'm glad it didn't lead to a serious injury for Ryan. 

Karma had the last laugh at the end of the game. fug Chancellor

[Goondal]

The NFL should implement the NCAA rule for blatant hits. In college you can called for targeting that comes with an automatic ejection.

I agree with the rule on paper but to see it at work at the college level makes me want a few kinks worked out before the NFL adopts it.  Guys are getting kicked out of games where there is clearly no targeting.  

[heelinfine]

I agree with the rule on paper but to see it at work at the college level makes me want a few kinks worked out before the NFL adopts it.  Guys are getting kicked out of games where there is clearly no targeting.  

I understand what you mean. Every refs definition of "blatant" could be different.  They have to find  a way to make sure it's caled uniformly.  Im a Tarheel fan, and there was a GT player called for targeting a Heels WR and ejected, and it was the wrong call.

[Goondal]

I understand what you mean. Every refs definition of "blatant" could be different.  They have to find  a way to make sure it's caled uniformly.  Im a Tarheel fan, and there was a GT player called for targeting a Heels WR and ejected, and it was the wrong call.

Yeah, I remember that play.  The penalty is too great to get it wrong.  UCLA lost a LB (spposedly one of their best players) against BYU in the first quarter on a really bad one.  He was tackling the QB low, but the QB slid and their heads reached the same spot at the same time.  FSU lost a guy in one game where the guy ducked into the hit.  I can teach fourth graders that in dodgeball if you are ducking it is not a head shot but football college football cannot figure it out.

[heelinfine]

Yeah, I remember that play.  The penalty is too great to get it wrong.  UCLA lost a LB (spposedly one of their best players) against BYU in the first quarter on a really bad one.  He was tackling the QB low, but the QB slid and their heads reached the same spot at the same time.  FSU lost a guy in one game where the guy ducked into the hit.  I can teach fourth graders that in dodgeball if you are ducking it is not a head shot but football college football cannot figure it out.

Maybe it sshouldn't be a mandatory ejection. Maybe it should be up to the discretion of the officiating crew like some personal fouls are now.Refs could stillmake wrong call ocassionally but there would some sort of accountability if a trend was noticed. 

[tiger7_88]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/10/23/kam-chancellor-fined-23152-for-spearing-ryan-kalil/

I thought that was dirty as fug the first time I saw it.

[Mr. Scot]

Deserved, for sure.

[shreddingdefense]

Maybe it sshouldn't be a mandatory ejection. Maybe it should be up to the discretion of the officiating crew like some personal fouls are now.Refs could stillmake wrong call ocassionally but there would some sort of accountability if a trend was noticed. 

Perhaps like in hockey but instead of 2 minutes, you can't play for a quarter, full half,  or a few series. But then again you have players that wouldn't give a fug and would gladly accept that.

[RJK]

whatever, i'm sure he can still afford his adderall prescription

[CPantherKing]

I am all for ejections for blatant personal fouls as long as there is consensus.

This is my proposal. 15 yard penalty and...

7 officials on the field. # of officials who deem it intentional:

1 - out 1 play

2 - out 1 drive

3 - out 2 drives

4 - out 4 drives

5 - out 8 drives

6 - out for game

7 + replay booth - out remainder of game and additional game (opponents choice). This can take effect after a game too if the NFL Officiating department determines it to be blatant.

The opponents choice option for an additional game makes this stronger. If it is a divisional rival they can choose the next game they face that team, or use it in a regular season game that directly impacts their post season chances.

You will see this end quickly, and 1 official alone cannot screw this up since they do not have the power.

So, in this case since it was missed on the field, Kam Chancelor got away with it in game, but he would now be fined and the Panthers can choose the next game he misses.

This goes for any personal foul. So, if a player throws a punch or shoves a ref, all the refs have to confer and would have to say they saw it. This would have meant Kuechly would have missed 1 play or 1 drive instead of being kicked out of the game for unknowingly shoving one official who engaged him and flagged him after pulling him from behind.

Meanwhile, players like Kam Chancellor, Ndamukong Suh, and Vontaze Burfict would miss an entire game at the least by opponents choice even if they were not flagged for trying to take out players. Essentially, they are taking themselves out for a game.

Players who are labeled as repeat offenders would increase the missed games by opponents choice. Once you are labeled a pattern offender (can increase in levels) by the league, your missed games go to 2, 4 ,8 , 16 and then 32. If you reach a level 5 offender level, then no team will want to sign you.

[MadHatter]

I am all for ejections for blatant personal fouls as long as there is consensus.

This is my proposal. 15 yard penalty and...

7 officials on the field. # of officials who deem it intentional:

1 - out 1 play

2 - out 1 drive

3 - out 2 drives

4 - out 4 drives

5 - out 8 drives

6 - out for game

7 + replay booth - out remainder of game and additional game (opponents choice). This can take effect after a game too if the NFL Officiating department determines it to be blatant.

The opponents choice option for an additional game makes this stronger. If it is a divisional rival they can choose the next game they face that team, or use it in a regular season game that directly impacts their post season chances.

You will see this end quickly, and 1 official alone cannot screw this up since they do not have the power.

So, in this case since it was missed on the field, Kam Chancelor got away with it in game, but he would now be fined and the Panthers can choose the next game he misses.

This goes for any personal foul. So, if a player throws a punch or shoves a ref, all the refs have to confer and would have to say they saw it. This would have meant Kuechly would have missed 1 play or 1 drive instead of being kicked out of the game for unknowingly shoving one official who engaged him and flagged him after pulling him from behind.

Meanwhile, players like Kam Chancellor, Ndamukong Suh, and Vontaze Burfict would miss an entire game at the least by opponents choice even if they were not flagged for trying to take out players. Essentially, they are taking themselves out for a game.

Players who are labeled as repeat offenders would increase the missed games by opponents choice. Once you are labeled a pattern offender (can increase in levels) by the league, your missed games go to 2, 4 ,8 , 16 and then 32. If you reach a level 5 offender level, then no team will want to sign you.

I understand what you are trying to say.  However, your suggestion won't work.  The officials are watching different areas of the field and for different things on every play.  Therefore, usually only two officials at most would be in a position to see the play.

Good idea  just not practical.

[capfolly]

What I hated the most was how the announcers treated what Kam did as something praise worthy. It was something like "Kam brings the Boom back to the Legion of Boom." while Kalil was still on the ground.

[Leeroy Jenkins PhD]

Honestly im 100% ok with that hit, if you are the box safety its your job to light up any mofo comming at you. You lay down the wood on people so they think twice about running it up in the middle of your defence. That hit made me wish we had young chris harris on the squad.

If you ever played safety you know what the deal is, you go full speed and light up anyone comming at you, that includes lineman.

That is fine if you lead with the shoulder.  Deliberately spearing with the crown of your helmet is illegal.  It is poor sportsmanship and dangerous for both individuals involved.  Anyone who has played peewee football can tell you this.