The #2 we let get away.

[Everfrost]

Another illogical response. This is neither about my scouting abilities or about Damiere Byrd (per se). It is just a statement of fact. Snead was on our practice squad, is a productive WR---more productive than ours---and is making a positive name for himself for our division foe when it could have been us.

Not really true. Maybe this guy couldn't pick up the O maybe cam throws to hard for him to catch the ball so many variables to take in to affect for you to make it sound like a fact is a freaking joke

[top dawg]

maybe its just me but i think everyone is missing what OP is saying here, which is simply that a guy we had on our practice squad ended up on someone else's starting lineup and is making a name for himself. haven't we been crowing about ryan delaire all week even though he's put up significantly less number than snead? how's that any different?

acknowledging snead's production juxtaposed against our lack of it at WR doesn't have to be some hardassed assessment of dave gettleman, and in this case it isn't.

Thanks, PhillyB. I knew that there would be some snark in this thread because there always is. There are certain people on the Huddle that just like to razz me and get me all riled up for entertainment value. There are others that just don't get me, and, yes, there are those that just don't like Top Dawg or love to hate Top Dawg.  It just comes with the territory. Sure I have an ego that pokes through, but it is what it is. Roughly five years ago, an old lady that barely knew me called me a know-it-all to my face. I was somewhat miffed immediately, but I quickly became amused as I realized that it wasn't the first time someone hit me out of left field. Some people are just intimidated by natural intelligence and because you have it and it shows. As a result, they want to make it about you when the only thing that you're guilty of is expressing an intelligent opinion about which something they disagree. Even the most benign remark or thought garners their disdain. This is even more true on the Internet where basically strangers can hide behind an LCD and express whatever to prop up their e-rep. Me, you get the same guy all the time. 

This thread right here is about Willie Snead. I hate we let him get away, and I don't want to see anything like it happen in the future (with Byrd, Rakim Cox or anyone). It will probably happen again though. It's just one of those things. I don't really "blame" Gettleman for it, but the buck does stop with him. I am just a little wistful about it is all, especially in this situation. It's basically a ain't-that-bitch moment? 

[TheRed]

I don't think I've ever seen anyone else here refer to themselves in the 3rd person as much as top dawg.

[blackcat]

I let a #2 go yesterday that NOBODY would want.  Mannnnnnn, tacos sure are good, but they wreak absolute havoc on my butt region.  I'm not sorry at all for letting that #2 slip away, although it was more of a blast and splash.

[KSpan]

This thread right here is about Willie Snead. I hate we let him get away, and I don't want to see anything like it happen in the future (with Byrd, Rakim Cox or anyone). It will probably happen again though. It's just one of those things. I don't really "blame" Gettleman for it, but the buck does stop with him. I am just a little wistful about it is all, especially in this situation. It's basically a ain't-that-bitch moment? 

It is in no way, shape, or form an "ain't that a bitch" moment. In 2017, after a couple of productive seasons, it might be. Today, however, the guy has played 5 games: a fairly productive 5-game stretch that includes one excellent game, two pretty good games, and two games where he had fewer yards and a much lower YPC average than Bersin had vs. TB or that Philly Brown had vs. Houston this year and Pitt and Atlanta last year. The guy could continue to break out but proclaiming him "The #2 that we let get away" is premature by any standard.

[top dawg]

Well, you keep ranting about "short sniffers" in response to any sort of argument for some reason, so it's hard for you to try to play the victim.

Anyways, so are you planning on actually countering my post that directly addressed Snead's current yardage totals?

First, let's get this straight. I am not a victim, I ain't playing a victim, and I really could give a poo about being anyone's victim. If I am a victim, I am largely a victim of my own decisions, notwithstanding living in a very fuged up society and world. 

Short sniffers are among us on the Huddle. That can't be denied. The Huddle has morphed into a real life example of Pavlovian theory on some levels. You say this, others will immediately respond on cue with their Gman-can-do-know-wrong irrationality.  It's even gotten to the point where you have Chicken Littles responding to other Chicken Littles about the falling sky when no one has even brought up the sky at all. It's like a preemptive strike that is striking at nothing. 

Now, to your point, yardage totals and where they came from or occurred are really of no consequence. It is a nebulous argument that can be used for any receiver in the league. If you give credence to such arguments, then go right ahead. The NFL is a league full of professionals. If you want to believe that some "pad" their stats against this team or that team, or slipped into the playoffs because of a weak division or favorable circumstances, then have at it. I am a big picture guy. I actually give the phrase "Any given Sunday", and the fact that the NFL is full of world class pro ball players, more credence than trying to cherry pick some stats. 

Willie Snead has some skills. To argue about games he has played, or that he is playing in a system, or that he should be working at Wendy's is just a slippery slope that I don't set foot on. You can go out and skate on the ice just to prove some disingenuous point to garner some pie or make yourself feel better all you like. You won't be doing it with me.

[LinvilleGorge]

A lot of people also aren't considering how vastly different our offense is from N.O.'s and how vastly different Cam Newton is from Drew Brees.  Just because the guy is having success there doesn't necessarily mean he'd be successful here.  

[top dawg]

A lot of people also aren't considering how vastly different our offense is from N.O.'s.  Just because the guy is having success there doesn't necessarily mean he'd be successful here.

"Just because" they are successful in another system doesn't necessarily mean they won't be "successful" in your system as well.  

Perhaps it's not about the system so much as it it is about people needing to expand their minds. 

[top dawg]

It is in no way, shape, or form an "ain't that a bitch" moment. In 2017, after a couple of productive seasons, it might be. Today, however, the guy has played 5 games: a fairly productive 5-game stretch that includes one excellent game, two pretty good games, and two games where he had fewer yards and a much lower YPC average than Bersin had vs. TB or that Philly Brown had vs. Houston this year and Pitt and Atlanta last year. The guy could continue to break out but proclaiming him "The #2 that we let get away" is premature by any standard.

Perhaps it is premature. But regardless how you slice it, Snead has been more productive than Philly or Berse in his five games than they have in their careers. At this time, at least in my mind, he is just the better receiver, small sample that it is.

[TheRed]

First, let's get this straight. I am not a victim, I ain't playing a victim, and I really could give a poo about being anyone's victim. If I am a victim, I am largely a victim of my own decisions, notwithstanding living in a very fuged up society and world. 

Short sniffers are among us on the Huddle. That can't be denied. The Huddle has morphed into a real life example of Pavlovian theory on some levels. You say this, others will immediately respond on cue with their Gman-can-do-know-wrong irrationality.  It's even gotten to the point where you have Chicken Littles responding to other Chicken Littles about the falling sky when no one has even brought up the sky at all. It's like a preemptive strike that is striking at nothing. 

Now, to your point, yardage totals and where they came from or occurred are really of no consequence. It is a nebulous argument that can be used for any receiver in the league. If you give credence to such arguments, then go right ahead. The NFL is a league full of professionals. If you want to believe that some "pad" their stats against this team or that team, or slipped into the playoffs because of a weak division or favorable circumstances, then have at it. I am a big picture guy. I actually give the phrase "Any given Sunday", and the fact that the NFL is full of world class pro ball players, more credence than trying to cherry pick some stats. 

Willie Snead has some skills. To argue about games he has played, or that he is playing in a system, or that he should be working at Wendy's is just a slippery slope that I don't set foot on. You can go out and skate on the ice just to prove some disingenuous point to garner some pie or make yourself feel better all you like. You won't be doing it with me.

We are a running team. The Saints offense is all about racking up passing yards, no matter who is at WR. That is Sean Payton. You saw what McCown did to us through the air.

If you refuse to acknowledge the significant role that very basic, and crucial difference plays in this scenario, that's on you man.

[CPantherKing]

Thankfully Marty Hurney landed Cam Newton, Greg Olsen, Ryan Kalil, Luke Kuechly, Thomas Davis, and Josh Norman. They are carrying this team this season and last.

Without them this team would be a dumpster fire with the rest of the squandered talent from the current administration.

[pantherfan49]

We also let Gary Barnidge slip away. 

[top dawg]

We are a running team. The Saints offense is all about racking up yards, no matter who is at WR. That is Sean Payton. You saw what McCown did to us through the air.

If you refuse to acknowledge the significant role that very basic, and crucial difference plays in this scenario, that's on you man.

Some teams run more, and some teams pass more. Some teams must pass more out of necessity. Cam Newton has been our saving grace in the running game so far. But, even still, stop clouding the issue. However little we run or pass is immaterial. Snead would likely be doing more for us, even if only just on a relative basis, than what we are fielding right now.  That's not a difficult concept. It's not a stretch. It's not outlandish. Deal with it!

[SmokinwithWilly]

The guy is 30 years old and is now in his 3rd season away from Carolina.  One third of his career receiving yardage and one half of his career TDs have come in this season's four games.  It's not like the minute he left Charlotte he became an All-Pro TE.  Either the light bulb finally came on for him late in his career or these last four games have been a fluke.  Not sure which, but based on the last two seasons, leaving the Panthers had nothing to do with it.

This was a reference to a player who used to play in Carolina who has strung together a few really good performances, like Snead has this year. Nothing more, nothing less.