Walking Dead Season 6

[Bronn]

d-dave's post reminded me that one point I wanted to add to this thread is that people, especially show-only people, are so emotionally invested in Rick Grimes that they are blinded by him...

In reality, if you can imagine it as a reality, Rick Grimes has had it pretty damned easy being the central character of the series.

Yeah, he has had a ton of bad poo happen to him, but so has everyone else.

However, he is arrogant as poo, makes terrible decisions, acts before he thinks, etc. That has all caught up with him now and he (and the viewers who have exalted him) just doesn't know how to react. Some hero. It is exactly like Negan called it, he's been king poo of this group for a while and had it made, but now he's been brought back to the reality that he's not invincible.

Don't get me wrong, because he does have some likeable qualities, but he is far from your typical protagonist, and people just don't understand that he is supposed to be that way. They don't see his true self.

[Zaximus]

Yeah Rick is totally not innocent.

Negan and him are like Daredevil in season 2, when Punisher said "You're one bad day from being me".   They are way more alike than Rick will admit.  

[Datawire]

40 minutes ago, Bronn said:

However, he is arrogant as poo, makes terrible decisions, acts before he thinks, etc. That has all caught up with him now and he (and the viewers who have exalted him) just doesn't know how to react. Some hero. It is exactly like Negan called it, he's been king poo of this group for a while and had it made, but now he's been brought back to the reality that he's not invincible.

Yep. All of this is Rick's fault.

Including the last few pages of this thread.

[Porn Shop Clerk]

1 hour ago, pstall said:

Calling someone a mother fuger? Dude seriously. 

Im playing nice but you want to cross a line that's on you. Don't be stupid. 

You are the one that got his panties bunched. Im not as emotionally invested as you. Clearly.

I generalized and called several people motherfuger.

No need to play nice with me.  Civility is just a fabricated construct that we choose to live by anyway.

My panties are folded up neatly and tucked away, because I don't wear them. #freethelabia

1 hour ago, pstall said:

I read more than you. Now for comics you got me by miles.

I seriously doubt that.  And I only read one comic. Your consumption of comic book themed entertainment media probably far supersedes mine, since I haven't watched a Marvel film since Iron-Man 2 because I'm allergic to terrible things. No Batman V Superman, no Suicide Squad, none of it.

So you've asserted that an uninformed opinion is better, that you're more masculine than me, that you're physically tougher, emotionally tougher, and more well read than me.

Those are a lot of assumptions. I'm sure basement dweller, welfare recipient, and druggie are lurking right around the corner somewhere.

But at this point it is clear you're not going to address any of the points I've made that have refuted your claims of "gore porn", "video game", "leveling up for the next boss" or any of your other uninformed proclamations.

You think you're open minded and educated, but really you just stare at the reflection on the surface and never notice what's going on in the depths.

[Porn Shop Clerk]

1 hour ago, pstall said:

Honestly porn guy you have provided some quality entertainment for people at this meeting. 

They have all asked how old that guy is. Lol

But continue.  We are here till 4.

You talk to people about internet forums in real life?

Wow.

You're THAT guy. Jesus fuging Christ you're the worst.  

HAHA CHECK OUT WHAT THIS GUY SAID ON REDDIT.

ps. secretly they're all fans of me now, just like negan

[Porn Shop Clerk]

53 minutes ago, Bronn said:

d-dave's post reminded me that one point I wanted to add to this thread is that people, especially show-only people, are so emotionally invested in Rick Grimes that they are blinded by him...

In reality, if you can imagine it as a reality, Rick Grimes has had it pretty damned easy being the central character of the series.

Yeah, he has had a ton of bad poo happen to him, but so has everyone else.

However, he is arrogant as poo, makes terrible decisions, acts before he thinks, etc. That has all caught up with him now and he (and the viewers who have exalted him) just doesn't know how to react. Some hero. It is exactly like Negan called it, he's been king poo of this group for a while and had it made, but now he's been brought back to the reality that he's not invincible.

Don't get me wrong, because he does have some likeable qualities, but he is far from your typical protagonist, and people just don't understand that he is supposed to be that way. They don't see his true self.

I am absolutely certain that everyone saying they're upset with the level of violence, etc are really upset at how thoroughly Rick was broken psychologically.  But they need something more tangible to hang their hat on.

Sometimes the show is better than the comic, and watching Andrew Lincoln's performance as he struggled with the choice to cut off Carl's hand was one of them.

So well done that it really fuged a lot of people up.

[Cary Kollins]

so uh, can someone go ahead and start a Walking Dead Season Seven discussion

[CarolinaCoolin]

50 minutes ago, Porn Shop Clerk said:

I generalized and called several people motherfuger.

No need to play nice with me.  Civility is just a fabricated construct that we choose to live by anyway.

My panties are folded up neatly and tucked away, because I don't wear them. #freethelabia

I seriously doubt that.  And I only read one comic. Your consumption of comic book themed entertainment media probably far supersedes mine, since I haven't watched a Marvel film since Iron-Man 2 because I'm allergic to terrible things. No Batman V Superman, no Suicide Squad, none of it.

So you've asserted that an uninformed opinion is better, that you're more masculine than me, that you're physically tougher, emotionally tougher, and more well read than me.

Those are a lot of assumptions. I'm sure basement dweller, welfare recipient, and druggie are lurking right around the corner somewhere.

But at this point it is clear you're not going to address any of the points I've made that have refuted your claims of "gore porn", "video game", "leveling up for the next boss" or any of your other uninformed proclamations.

You think you're open minded and educated, but really you just stare at the reflection on the surface and never notice what's going on in the depths.

Free the labia made me smile. 

 

But seriously dude, quit wasting your time with perpetually ignorant pstall and go watch GOTG

[Porn Shop Clerk]

11 minutes ago, CarolinaCoolin said:

Free the labia made me smile. 

 

But seriously dude, quit wasting your time with perpetually ignorant pstall and go watch GOTG

Oh that's right, that was Marvel.  Eh. I wasn't as thrilled as everyone else, though I didn't think it was a bad film or anything. I would say that its general appraisal is more of an indictment on the current state of comic book films.

[teeray]

2 hours ago, Bronn said:

d-dave's post reminded me that one point I wanted to add to this thread is that people, especially show-only people, are so emotionally invested in Rick Grimes that they are blinded by him...

In reality, if you can imagine it as a reality, Rick Grimes has had it pretty damned easy being the central character of the series.

Yeah, he has had a ton of bad poo happen to him, but so has everyone else.

However, he is arrogant as poo, makes terrible decisions, acts before he thinks, etc. That has all caught up with him now and he (and the viewers who have exalted him) just doesn't know how to react. Some hero. It is exactly like Negan called it, he's been king poo of this group for a while and had it made, but now he's been brought back to the reality that he's not invincible.

Don't get me wrong, because he does have some likeable qualities, but he is far from your typical protagonist, and people just don't understand that he is supposed to be that way. They don't see his true self.

This is an interesting point and it kind of leads me into a point I wanted to make about why I like the show and comics.

If you step back and look at it this is a total mind fug.  

It is is an exploration of humanity and survival and what are you willing to accept in the name of survival.

But here is where it gets trippy.  That exploration is not just limited to the characters in the story, but to the reader/watcher as well.  

Think about it.  The reader is essentially part of the group.  We have been there since the beginning.  That is why Pstall's critique of expanding the world works against the point of the show.  We the readers are meant to only see things from the perspective of the group. 

And as the group has evolved and developed we have developed with them.  To the point where we justify their homicides and are accepting of them while still believing Rick is a good guy.

But then when Glenn gets killed it is devastating for us, even if we know this is really Rick's fault.  Because we have seen Glenn from the beginning.  We know Glenn and love him.  He is a good guy who loved his wife and akways put the group before himself.  He grew from a nerdy pizza delivery guy who knew how to get around to a leader and moral compass of the group.  He is a character we should mourn getting murdered in such a barbaric way, especially in front of Maggie.

But because the reader's POV is so narrow, when Rick kills unnamed Savior #9 or someone with a two episode arc just we say to ourselves "Hey.  It is a kill or be killed world.  Rick is just trying to protect his people". Because we are part of the group, and we as readers want to see the people/characters we love and know be protected and when they die we wish vengeance on those who did it.

But unnamed Savior #9 may have been the other group's Glenn, or Herschel, or Daryl, or Maggie, etc.  But we don't feel it because we don't know them.  Not like the ones that are in our group.  So even if we recognize it was wrong we don't mourn that death

And I don't think Rick is a bad guy either.   At the end of the day his primary objective is to protect his son and his people.

But again that is because we have been there with him from the beginning.  We saw how his mistakes when he was Sheriff Rick cost him and those he was trying to protect.  And then Rick evolved to what he is now.

If Rick started in Season 1 Episode 1 like he is now we would have all hated him.  Need proof?  He has essentially turned into Shane, who was the first real main "bad" guy he had to deal with.  But he wasn't a bad guy he was just ahead of his time.  Not just for the group in the story, but also for the reader or viewer.

But Rick's past justifies his present.  But for all these other groups we meet them without that context and all we know is they are trying to hurt the group.  Our group.  This for the reader is essentially Season 1 Episode 1 of Negan.  We don't have the same POV and context so we view him as a dick and a threat.

So that is why I think Pstall's criticism of expanding the world is misguided.  Because we aren't just exploring the humanity of Rick, the group, or Negan... But also ourselves as the viewer or the reader

 

[CarolinaCoolin]

17 minutes ago, Porn Shop Clerk said:

Oh that's right, that was Marvel.  Eh. I wasn't as thrilled as everyone else, though I didn't think it was a bad film or anything. I would say that its general appraisal is more of an indictment on the current state of comic book films.

Idk, that movie was just perfect imho. I cried three times during that film. I cried over a talking tree who only says three words. That's special

[CarolinaCoolin]

Civil was also amazing 

[Porn Shop Clerk]

21 minutes ago, CarolinaCoolin said:

Idk, that movie was just perfect imho. I cried three times during that film. I cried over a talking tree who only says three words. That's special

GotG was a better film overall, in every aspect, but I enjoyed Pacific Rim more. They don't really have anything in common other than epic sci-fi though.

I dunno, I wasn't disappointed by it or anything, but it didn't wow me either.

[CRA]

1 hour ago, Porn Shop Clerk said:

I am absolutely certain that everyone saying they're upset with the level of violence, etc are really upset at how thoroughly Rick was broken psychologically.  But they need something more tangible to hang their hat on.

Sometimes the show is better than the comic, and watching Andrew Lincoln's performance as he struggled with the choice to cut off Carl's hand was one of them.

So well done that it really fuged a lot of people up.

what about show watchers who merely think the storytelling has become cheap/weak and become extremely gimmicky of late?  Show seems of late to concerned with gotcha tactics or getting their own Jon Snow moment or whatever.  They forgot that at one time they actually did a good job with characters.....that has been awhile.