Walking Dead Season 6

[Bronn]

10 minutes ago, Cary Kollins said:

 

And as  mentioned earlier, we're going to know who was killed when they aren't on the set when filming begins in May.

 

Here's a crazy thought I had:

There's been somewhat of a war between TWD/A&E producers and TWD Spoiler sites.

Maybe Gimple could foresee the victim being spoiled in May, and he wants to use that as an excuse to say, "See! The spoilers are ruining the show for you!".

Yeah I could see that... but still, it is like a total disregard for your viewers if you pull that.

IF they are that worried about it, they should just stop with a lot of the time wasters they do and trim the filler a bit and push forward through the source material. Once you've gone beyond that (see GoT) viewers and source material people are on a more level playing field.

Also, if they are so concerned about leaks, they need to tighten up their own security. I mean, how in the hell, if it wasn't planned, are you going to have a much anticipated scene/season finale audio leak days before the show airs.

The first four episodes of Game of Thrones leaked last season. Four whole episodes. Yet, people kept watching, kept subscribing to HBO, kept pirating, and kept tuning in every week. If your show is good enough, spoilers/leaks/etc. aren't going to keep people away, and if you react to it in such a way as AMC/TWD has, you are showing yourselves to be minor players a this point.

I own every season of GoT on Blu-Ray. I own zero seasons of TWD. I like the show, and I own all the compendiums to cover the comics (and I read them as they come out,) but they haven't really offered me anything (short of the second half of season 6 minus last night) that I would like to own a physical copy of. Sad. Especially considering they are coming to probably the best part of the comics with the best character. If they don't pick the ball back up and run with it now, then the show will ultimately be a failure.

[Bronn]

saw this and had to lol

 

I only lol because my OCD hasn't kicked in yet and made me begin the analysis...

[o803oVaDeR]

I feel sure you will still not know who got bashed until well into next season. I would be willing to bet next season will follow primarily Negan and his people, starting a few days before Rick attached them. The whole first half of the season will be a flashback, and then midseason finale will be the same cliff hanger ending. I would be willing to bet that the writers don't even know who they want it to be yet. They are feeling out our reactions, which to me shows no balls. It better be a main Character. By main I mean someone there from pretty much the beginning.

[Bronn]

By the way, I did a quick analysis of the video, and it is going to be impossible to tell who got it just by rewatching.

When Negan starts his "Eenie meenie" routine, he somewhat goes in order.

The group is lined up, facing Negan L-R as such: Eugene, Carl, Aaron, Sasha, Rick, Maggie, Abraham, Michonne, Daryl, Rosita, and Glenn

Eeny - Rick

meeny - Maggie

miny - Abraham

moe - Michonne

Catch - Glenn? (it looks like he skips Daryl and Rosita the way he walks by, but doesn't show who he's pointing at)

a tiger - Daryl

by the toe - Not shown, but I am assuming by the way he walks and the shadow falling across Sasha's face it is back to Rick

If - Sasha

he hollers - Aaron

let him go - No clue, as it looks as though he drops Lucille and looks/grins at Carl or Aaron

My Mother - No idea... but it looks like he points back to Aaron before moving on to his right again and going to Carl

told me - Carl

to pick - no idea... First person view of Lucille with the RV in the background. Based on the perspective he is on Carl's/Eugene's side still

the very - not shown, but we get a shot of a worried Michonne

best - Eugene

one - Aaron, we get a shot of Sasha crying

And you - all the way back over to Rosita on the other side of the lineup, then images of Lucille in the face of Aaron then Glenn

Are - Maggie, followed by a first person Lucille shot, a shot of Lucille in the face of Daryl, Abraham, then Carl, then a crying Rick with Negan's shadow moving to Rick's right to left (moving him back towards Eugene and Carl's side)

It - First person, no background other than wood line (I am assuming this is because this part wasn't shot with the lineup and was the leaked studio/greenscreen footage.

 

As you can see, it gets rather sketchy once he gets past Carl's area and moves back to Rosita's side of the lineup.

The only one they DON'T show Negan saying a word as he is landing on them when he actually does it, is Glenn. Maggie and Aaron are both shown being landed on twice. Glenn is shown twice with Lucille in his face, but not when he's an in-turn word.

That puts the Lucille in the face count at:
Aaron: 3

Maggie, Glenn, Daryl, Abraham, Carl, and Rick: 2 each

Michonne, Sasha, Eugene, Rosita: 1 each

 

I have no idea at this point. The whole greenscreen thing is probably going to mean it could be any of them, but I find it suspicious, at the least, that we didn't get a shot of Glenn being landed on with a word... But, based on the shadow on Rick's face and the direction he would be moving, it makes me think it could be someone on that end of the lineup (Eugene, Carl, or Aaron)...

This is just further evidence that they really screwed this up...

 

[Datawire]

I get that Maggie was in a dire situation and all but is really worth it to risk everyone for her? I like the Maggie character but that just seemed like a devastating risk.

This season just seemed awkward to me. The characters, almost all of them, seemed out of character for some reason.

Other than that, terrible finally. An hour of driving around in circles and then just insulting the hell out of your viewer base.

[Jangler]

After my deep analysis...

Figured Maggie would get it because Lauren Conrad has become a star away from the show. 

[Proudiddy]

7 hours ago, Bronn said:

I only caught a few minutes of the Talking Dead (I will watch the whole thing tonight) but I think I read the disappointment in Kirkman to an extent... He made a note at one point to point out that "there are clues in the scenes that would allow you to know who it was" or something like that... I got the feeling he wanted people to know and that Gimple didn't...
 

I wonder if Gimple could lose his job over this...

Yeah, I always watch Talking Dead afterwards, and Kirkman seemed sort of removed from that discussion.  It was all Gimple that was defending it from the negative reaction.  Honestly, I wasn't happy with it, but I was trying to keep an optimistic outlook on it.  I understand it's entertainment, but it's also a business and they want to milk it all they can...  BUT, there is a threshold, and they crossed it.  And now, the more I read everyone else's reaction, the anger and disappointment is bleeding all over my optimism.  

Instead of viewing it like, "well, I'm still going to watch because I need to know who died," and embrace the "fun" in discussing possible theories and outcomes with fellow fans, I'm now just starting to feel robbed.  Because as many of you have said, and I was discussing with my wife, regardless of what they do in the season 7 premiere, you will not invoke the same emotions that you would have last night if you revealed who was killed in the moment.  Now, we're waiting 6 months...  And even if it is Glen, or Daryl, or even Maggie, many will just be apathetic to it because we've had 6 months to prepare for the worst scenario we can imagine for our favorite characters.  That blows.  That wasn't a necessary plot device to help drive the story, they purposely drug it out for no apparent reason.  It is the definition of cheap.  

I hadn't given much thought to it until sleeping on it overnight and now revisiting this thread today, but I really am starting to feel like Gimple should lose his job.  There is no way AMC could be happy with this because so many dedicated fans are now claiming they are done with the show.  I feared they may have been jumping the shark at various points this season, and now I fear that this was the nail in the coffin...  Damn, what a disappointment.

[cookinwithgas]

Im reserving judgement on this now - yeah I feel cheated but whe would have thought the 6th season would have turned out as great as it did? They've pulled their butts out of the fire before so maybe there is a good plan for next season that this will make sense for - the showrunners are going to be all about the fans, the AMC suits more about the casual viewers/ratings fodder, so there is a decent shot we will say "Ah! THATS why they did that!" Could be a great flashback episode - not as sure how they would handle Glenn since he's grown up a LOT on the show - but Abraham already had one great show, and a Daryle flashback with Merle right after the outbreak would be pretty sweet I'd bet.

[Proudiddy]

3 hours ago, Bronn said:

By the way, I did a quick analysis of the video, and it is going to be impossible to tell who got it just by rewatching.

When Negan starts his "Eenie meenie" routine, he somewhat goes in order.

The group is lined up, facing Negan L-R as such: Eugene, Carl, Aaron, Sasha, Rick, Maggie, Abraham, Michonne, Daryl, Rosita, and Glenn

Eeny - Rick

meeny - Maggie

miny - Abraham

moe - Michonne

Catch - Glenn? (it looks like he skips Daryl and Rosita the way he walks by, but doesn't show who he's pointing at)

a tiger - Daryl

by the toe - Not shown, but I am assuming by the way he walks and the shadow falling across Sasha's face it is back to Rick

If - Sasha

he hollers - Aaron

let him go - No clue, as it looks as though he drops Lucille and looks/grins at Carl or Aaron

My Mother - No idea... but it looks like he points back to Aaron before moving on to his right again and going to Carl

told me - Carl

to pick - no idea... First person view of Lucille with the RV in the background. Based on the perspective he is on Carl's/Eugene's side still

the very - not shown, but we get a shot of a worried Michonne

best - Eugene

one - Aaron, we get a shot of Sasha crying

And you - all the way back over to Rosita on the other side of the lineup, then images of Lucille in the face of Aaron then Glenn

Are - Maggie, followed by a first person Lucille shot, a shot of Lucille in the face of Daryl, Abraham, then Carl, then a crying Rick with Negan's shadow moving to Rick's right to left (moving him back towards Eugene and Carl's side)

It - First person, no background other than wood line (I am assuming this is because this part wasn't shot with the lineup and was the leaked studio/greenscreen footage.

 

As you can see, it gets rather sketchy once he gets past Carl's area and moves back to Rosita's side of the lineup.

The only one they DON'T show Negan saying a word as he is landing on them when he actually does it, is Glenn. Maggie and Aaron are both shown being landed on twice. Glenn is shown twice with Lucille in his face, but not when he's an in-turn word.

That puts the Lucille in the face count at:
Aaron: 3

Maggie, Glenn, Daryl, Abraham, Carl, and Rick: 2 each

Michonne, Sasha, Eugene, Rosita: 1 each

 

I have no idea at this point. The whole greenscreen thing is probably going to mean it could be any of them, but I find it suspicious, at the least, that we didn't get a shot of Glenn being landed on with a word... But, based on the shadow on Rick's face and the direction he would be moving, it makes me think it could be someone on that end of the lineup (Eugene, Carl, or Aaron)...

This is just further evidence that they really screwed this up...

 

I can't remember the exact part now, but as I was watching live last night, I figured they set the shots up to where we wouldn't be able to decipher who it was based on position.  This was because one specific part of that final scene, Negan said something to Rick but appeared to be standing in front of Glen I believe, as he had walked away from Rick and to his own left (before he started the eenie, meenie...), then they went from a side angle to a shot behind Negan as he was still talking, and he appeared to teleport from where he appeared to be standing (in front of Glen) to now standing directly in front of Rick, while still talking.  This is one thing that really pissed me off...  At least give us some realistic breadcrumbs to follow...  And not only that, that is like rule number one in filmmaking - congruency.  You can't just freely take a shot from here, a shot from there, a shot from one angle, then from the reverse angle...  Unless you are like Kubrick or someone whom has a specific aesthetic and reasoning for it.  

Last night, it just felt like jarring, sloppy, guerrilla filmmaking.  Nicotero is an outstanding director, but I get the feeling he was told to make it sloppy in some fashion to not leave any possible clues, and that is just sad.

Furthermore, from some of the things the guests including Gimple and the actors said on Talking Dead last night, the cast still has no idea who was killed, and possibly the showrunners and writers don't either.  That leads me to believe that, as someone else mentioned here earlier, that it may have something to do with the actors' availability possibly affecting their future on the show, i.e. Norman Reedus, Steven Yuen?  They may want them back, but the actor isn't sure they want to continue due to other projects?  

Regardless, this just sucks.  And that would be a pathetic reason to have left it like that in the finale.

[Ivan The Awesome]

I'm reading the comics now.. So much difference in this and the show. 

 

I honestly think it's Either Abraham, Glenn, or Aaron. 

In the comics we all know who gets it. Also, the arrow to the head is different in the comics, Denise doesn't get it by the way,  if you haven't read the comics I won't spoil it more than that. 

 

Honestly feel it's Abraham. With how the show has gone and really there isn't much more for him to do. 

[Proudiddy]

22 minutes ago, cookinwithgas said:

Im reserving judgement on this now - yeah I feel cheated but whe would have thought the 6th season would have turned out as great as it did? They've pulled their butts out of the fire before so maybe there is a good plan for next season that this will make sense for - the showrunners are going to be all about the fans, the AMC suits more about the casual viewers/ratings fodder, so there is a decent shot we will say "Ah! THATS why they did that!" Could be a great flashback episode - not as sure how they would handle Glenn since he's grown up a LOT on the show - but Abraham already had one great show, and a Daryle flashback with Merle right after the outbreak would be pretty sweet I'd bet.

Yeah, if it's Glen or Daryl, an entire flashback episode would certainly refill that emotional piggy bank and then bring a crashing blow down upon it with Lucille, smashing it to pieces.  But, still...  I think the outcry is a combination of we as the audience having prepared ourselves for the death of one of our favorite characters and not getting it, AND just the idea of having to revisit those emotions in 6 months and not getting to cleanse our palates of it for another full season now.

There is a huge difference between ending a season with a huge character death and giving your audience time to process it, versus teasing that death an entire season, essentially promising that death an entire season, then not delivering that death to end the season and then starting the next season with that beloved character's death and now forcing your audience to process it in-season while progressing the story.  That just blows.

[Carolina Pride 95]

Based on how unbelievably weak the writing was this season, here is my best guess. 

The crunching sounds were a fake out, we see the bat... It starts to swing, then the screen goes black. So naturally we assume that's the sound of bat crushing skull bones. 

The BIG reveal in 6 months is going to be that those "crunching" sounds were ACTUALLY the sound of eight dumpsters being dropped into the forest, one at a time. 

Our valiant heroes will then slip sneakily under said dumpsters thusly evading any injury from Negan and his gang of miscreants. Confused by the sudden disappearance of his nemesis' Negan will lose interest and eventually wander off leaving our survivors to praise their good fortunes, and now having a better understanding of the enemy they are faced with, begin to formulate an appropriate plan. 

I see a lot of people on the internet trying desperately to give these assholes the benefit of the doubt, but you have to accept the fact that this isn't the first turd they have jammed in our eye (although it's the biggest)

I've been with this show since day 1, in real time. I had about 1,000 hours logged in left 4 dead about the time of the launch of S1 (I had a lot of free time then, cut me some slack) and we were all hugely excited for this new zombie show that was about to start. 

I've loved this show for years but have to come to accept the she has gotten very fat and generally just let herself go. Seriously this is well beyond "jumping the shark". This has redefined writing failure... This show has officially "Crawled under the dumpster"!

[KSpan]

Sounds like the first episode of Season 7 will show who died. I saw an article earlier where Gimple said the episode will pick up exactly where this one left off, but I can't find it now.

Gale was asked, “Will we learn for sure in the season seven opener who was killed?” To which she promptly responded, “Absolutely.”

http://hollywoodlife.com/2016/04/04/the-walking-dead-season-7-premiere-spoilers-who-died-negan/

[Guest]

Negan's intro and lengthy speech was pretty much identical to the comic. They should've gone ahead and shown him bludgeon Glenn to death with Lucille, just as in the comics. The entire season was a cock tease and drag out that Negan was gonna show up and off someone and they trolled everyone with the cheap, cliche cliffhanger. 

They should've shown Negan kill Glenn with the rest of the group screaming out and maybe a few try standing up or stopping him or something. Then Negan lines them up again and gives a speech about how he told them to sit still and take it to learn their lesson and that now he has to kill a 2nd person because they didn't listen to him. Have Negan sarcastically plead with them to follow the rules this time because he doesn't want to keep killing them and then he says now let's try this again and starts the eeny meeny miney mo countdown again. 

Now switch to the POV scene where he bludgeons an unknown character and it blacks out to the group screaming. 

The Internet breaks.

Would've been the most epic scene of the series and one of the best in TV history. This entire season was a huge build up to introducing Negan. JDM gave a great performance and everyone would've got to see him off Glenn. And then been left stunned that he kills a 2nd main character and nobody has any idea who it was. Then use the first half of the 7th season as flashbacks to Negan, Carol/Morgan, others, etc and there's no spoiler this summer who it was as everyone is still around filming. Then mid-season finale it goes back to current time and shows the 2nd victim was Daryl. 

The Internet breaks again.