Walking Dead Season 6

[CRA]

18 hours ago, cookinbrak said:

Carol....Queen of hardcore.

I think Maggie has transitioned to that role.  Despite some very late in the episode moves by Carol...Morgan seems to be renting space in her head.   Maggie IMO is stepping in the BA chick role. 

I did find this episode very interesting. I mean, basically Maggie and Carol were being held hostage by versions of Maggie and Carol.   I think that has some legit meaning.

At this point, I think the Saviors and "our group" basically are on par with each other.  Yeah, they are different groups and have differences but not sure how our group can now differentiate themselves as "good".   .

 

[Bronn]

7 hours ago, Goondal said:

Is the whole thing where they all claim to be Negan something they do in the comics so outsiders do not know which one he is?

sorry for the smallness of the image...

That happened in the comics in basically a hybrid scene of when Daryl/Abraham/Sasha met Negan's gang on the road IIRC. In the comics it was Rick and some others. The guy says it, and elaborates more than they did in the show. Basically, a lot of the Saviors are a little looney and actually have been somewhat brainwashed to speak like that. Pretty much, it is the equivalent of a hashtag in the post apocalypse TWD takes place in... #We'reAllNegan

[Bronn]

8 minutes ago, CRA said:

I think Maggie has transitioned to that role.  Despite some very late in the episode moves by Carol...Morgan seems to be renting space in her head.   Maggie IMO is stepping in the BA chick role. 

I did find this episode very interesting. I mean, basically Maggie and Carol were being held hostage by versions Maggie and Carol.   I think that has some legit meaning.

At this point, I think the Saviors and "our group" basically are on par with each other.  Yeah, they are different groups and have differences but not sure how our group can now differentiate themselves as "good".   .

 

This is a very good analysis tbqh. The last lines especially...

I don't want to spoil too much for non-comic people, so all I will say is that there isn't very much difference between Rick and Negan. I've compared it to a friend like Rick is the Angel on your shoulder and Negan is the Devil on the other shoulder. Often times, the end result of their choices and actions will lead you to the same result. It is just that we have some sort of moral differential as third party viewers that makes one more morally acceptable than the other, when in reality they both do good and bad things.

[Cary Kollins]

22 minutes ago, CRA said:

 

At this point, I think the Saviors and "our group" basically are on par with each other.  Yeah, they are different groups and have differences but not sure how our group can now differentiate themselves as "good".   .

 

 

I think that may be what the writers want us to think, but they may be setting us up so when Negan shows up we see just how bad it can get.

 

Mild spoilers, but check out these quotes from the actors that play Morgan (Lennie James) and Carol (Melissa McBride) on Negan's entrance:

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"Firstly, it is a phenomenal piece of writing," James told Comicbook.com. "Secondly, it is one of the greatest introductions of a character that I can remember in any television series, let alone in our television series. It's a phenomenal entrance. I don't want to build it up too much but it's probably too late now. It's amazing."

"For me, it was two things really. One was it was a sense of, 'Oh, my god. That's gonna be amazing.' Two was a desire to see it come to fruition and, from all intents and purposes and everything I know, it's fantastic. Jaws are gonna drop and people are gonna lose their poo, if you don't mind me saying. It's gonna blow some people's minds and break some people's hearts."

On the lines of "breaking some people's hearts," Carol actress Melissa McBride also had something to say about the upcoming finale...and it's not exactly good news. "It was so very dark," McBride said about the season six finale's script. "I couldn't say anything after I had finished reading it. I felt like I had dropped into a blackhole."

 

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/walking-dead-season-6-finale-negans-entrance-will-blow-minds-break-hearts-says-actor-lennie-1549346

 

[CRA]

1 minute ago, Bronn said:

This is a very good analysis tbqh. The last lines especially...

I don't want to spoil too much for non-comic people, so all I will say is that there isn't very much difference between Rick and Negan. I've compared it to a friend like Rick is the Angel on your shoulder and Negan is the Devil on the other shoulder. Often times, the end result of their choices and actions will lead you to the same result. It is just that we have some sort of moral differential as third party viewers that makes one more morally acceptable than the other, when in reality they both do good and bad things.

I don't know the comics...

But if you are Hilltop, you basically have to look at both groups at this point and go.....both these groups are the same but this Rick dude didn't kill a 16 year old kid as his introduction....so maybe he will be easier to work with if we let him take half our stuff vs the other people who have been taking half out stuff.

but clearly, this episode showed that the Saviors aren't made up of just a bunch of "Merle" types and that the "Maggies and Carols" make it up too. To me, that was basically the point of the episode...which was the Title of the episode "In The Same Boat".  Even the trio Daryl stumbled upon that stole his stuff....basically seemed like comparable people to our group.

we at least have perspective of the top brass of our group....they seem to at least have a steady back and forth of struggling with what they should be in the world.  Rick, Daryl, Carol, etc all seem to shift (internally battle) in terms of the groups overall approach should be.  My guess is Negan is just Psycho Rick all the time.

[CRA]

5 minutes ago, Cary Kollins said:

 

I think that may be what the writers want us to think, but they may be setting us up so when Negan shows up we see just how bad it can get.

 

 

I was more referencing the people that make up both groups more than what actions their leader takes in a given situation. 

[Datawire]

I think if Carol tells you not to smoke inside you may want to listen. Otherwise you die. 

She's two for two in that category.

[Darth Biscuit]

I was disappointed in how they portrayed Carol in this episode...  one minute she's trying to let the redhead walk and the next she's blowing the brunette away and burning men alive.  Lots of action and all, but they've been building Carol up to be this uber badass and now she's suddenly a pacifist and doesn't want to add to her kill total?  Come on. 

[CarolinaCoolin]

It's been pretty obvious her talks with Sam, the encounter she had with Morgan and figuring out she's killed now 21 people has made her question everything in terms of if its right or wrong anymore. The show has clearly laid the ground work for her to be questioning these things I don't know how this could come as a surprise to anyone?

[cardiackat88.]

5 hours ago, Darth Biscuit said:

I was disappointed in how they portrayed Carol in this episode...  one minute she's trying to let the redhead walk and the next she's blowing the brunette away and burning men alive.  Lots of action and all, but they've been building Carol up to be this uber badass and now she's suddenly a pacifist and doesn't want to add to her kill total?  Come on. 

She was tricking them, and I think Morgan is getting to her some. She may have also seen herself in the super nutso redhead, as well as the other two disgusting and violent women.

[cardiackat88.]

17 hours ago, Cary Kollins said:

 

- Rick and Co. should be smart enough to realize that "Primo" was not Negan. A little quick on the trigger with that one Rick

I think they knew, Rick just didn't want to hear his BS. The guy blew up and acted all tough but had all the reason in the world to be civil and cooperative.

[Darth Biscuit]

4 hours ago, CCS said:

She's a complex character. She killed the brunette because she she slashed Maggie's stomach and killed the men because she pretty much had to. It's not the shows fault that you aren't comprehending things.

I see you've taken over as the resident asshole for the forums.  Congrats.

 

Newsflash... it's a fictional TV show and everyone is allowed an opinion... now go back and play in the street.

[d-dave]

This was a pretty intense episode.  I saw Carol struggle with the two sides:  who she wants to be and who she has become.  The whole confrontation with Morgan over the wolf opened up something she'd been ignoring as a complete bad ass: humanity.  9.5 Fingers was right, nobody is the good guys.  Carol has realized that, and she wants to be a good guy, but it's difficult to feel that way when you look at all the crap she and the group did.

It's interesting to see the morality play of the role of violence against living opponents.  On one hand, you want to believe in their goodness (like in the Hilltop community).  On the flip side, you know that the Saviors are totally freaking evil.  The whole "We are Neegan" wasn't some kind of Sparticus battle cry, but rather an identity.  As we saw in the pictures, they glorify their violent acts, and their survivor-ship is based on taking rather than building.  How do Rick and the Alexandrians overcome their own "sins" to protect their community from bad people and the dead?  

This should be an interesting contrast between the Protagonists versus the Saviors.  It's hard to call them the good guys because they slaughtered men in their sleep.  Evil is as evil does.  Two wrongs don't make a right, etc.  I wouldn't blame them at all though.  I might have done it a bit differently, but sometimes the unpleasant choice is the right choice.  Especially in fictional universes!

Since they've kind of left off Glen for a bit, I wonder if Carol is going to be the one to die?  I figure Abraham is going to eat it soon as well.

[Guest]

3 hours ago, d-dave said:

This was a pretty intense episode.  I saw Carol struggle with the two sides:  who she wants to be and who she has become.  The whole confrontation with Morgan over the wolf opened up something she'd been ignoring as a complete bad ass: humanity.  9.5 Fingers was right, nobody is the good guys.  Carol has realized that, and she wants to be a good guy, but it's difficult to feel that way when you look at all the crap she and the group did.

It's interesting to see the morality play of the role of violence against living opponents.  On one hand, you want to believe in their goodness (like in the Hilltop community).  On the flip side, you know that the Saviors are totally freaking evil.  The whole "We are Neegan" wasn't some kind of Sparticus battle cry, but rather an identity.  As we saw in the pictures, they glorify their violent acts, and their survivor-ship is based on taking rather than building.  How do Rick and the Alexandrians overcome their own "sins" to protect their community from bad people and the dead?  

This should be an interesting contrast between the Protagonists versus the Saviors.  It's hard to call them the good guys because they slaughtered men in their sleep.  Evil is as evil does.  Two wrongs don't make a right, etc.  I wouldn't blame them at all though.  I might have done it a bit differently, but sometimes the unpleasant choice is the right choice.  Especially in fictional universes!

Since they've kind of left off Glen for a bit, I wonder if Carol is going to be the one to die?  I figure Abraham is going to eat it soon as well.

I thought a major point of last episode was to show the Saviors aren't all totally freaking evil....and actually many are basically comparable to our group. 

Surival at this point.  I suspect many Saviors simply have little choice but to be part of Negan's community.  Just like many now under Rick's leadership don't have much of an option. 

Carol and Maggie's female captors were basically clones.  Even the crowd that stole Daryl bike didn't come off as really evil...just trying to survive.