The Cam Bias- Precedence vs Evidence

[King Schhit]

Also, Cam most likely paraphrased what was actually said. Therefore, Ed can just deny he said it because Cam didn't repeat what he said verbatim. 

Exactly this.

[Cookie Lyon]

Mike Perreira was on Cowherd today, saying he found Cam's comment offensive and that he made it all up. He's said the panthers should hire a lip reader to prove him wrong

It amazes me that people actually think Cam made this up. The Panthers won the game so what would Cam gain by lying?

Also, people need to stop trying to spin this into Hochuli just joking around. He never said he was joking. He denied saying the comment.

[Riverboat Ron]

I finally saw a video of the hit and I'd say it should've been called considering the defender pushed Cam clearly after the ball was gone. While it wasn't egregious, it was a late hit by the book and would've been called for Manning or Brady. 

 

Sour grapes like Bronson can eat a dick, if he'd actually watched the game he'd have seen the officials were calling that game one sided. It's not even just this game either, defenders seem to always get in a slightly late hit on Cam when he runs and no flag is thrown while other running QB's get grazed as they were sliding and you see 3 yellow flags flying in. We may never know what was said between Hoc and Cam but it's clear as day that the refs have decided long ago that Cam doesn't get the same protection as Brady or Manning.

[Chaos]

Tim Brando will now be the reference for a bad huddle poster.

This thread is Brandos?

[Jangler]

 

Man that's harsh, don't you think?

Calling someone a Brando?... *shudder*

that's boarding on Brando.

[beastson]

Lol hey man that nfln video funny as hell. Refs did clearly miss that PI call on Deion

[Chimera]

I read on Reddit that Cam led the league in roughing the passer calls last season and in 2012. That comment didn't have a source, so IDK if true or not.

[TheRed]

I read on Reddit that Cam led the league in roughing the passer calls last season and in 2012. That comment didn't have a source, so IDK if true or not.

http://www.nflpenalties.com/penalty/roughing-the-passer?year=2014&view=log

Interesting. I don't know how verified these numbers are, but there is a site that tracks penalties.

Below are the roughing the passer calls made in favor of the Panthers.

In 2014 there were 7.

In 2013 there were 2.

In 2012 there were 6.

In 2011 there were 8.

So that would be 23 total roughing the passer calls going back to 2011.

As for leading the league in 2014, that's kind of accurate apparently. Washington also had 7 last year though. There were also 3 other teams that were right behind us, and Washington, each with 6. Buffalo, Miami, and Kansas City.

In regards to 2012 though, that is not accurate, Miami actually had the most roughing the passer calls in favor of them with 7.

Back in 2011 we apparently led the league with 8. I don't even recall all these to be honest. I'm only assuming these numbers are correct.

[MeatSoda]

After reading what the ref claims to have said and employing my amateur lip-reading skills, it seems entirely plausible that the ref said "The difference is you're running" and Cam heard "The difference is you're young." No? Either way, much ado about nothing. We won.

[tiger7_88]

Here's an update to this...

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/13770751/nfl-done-investigating-cam-newton-claim-ed-hochuli-audio-surfaces

Unless audio surfaces to support Carolina Panthersquarterback Cam Newton's claim that referee Ed Hochuli said he "wasn't old enough" to get a call last Sunday, the NFL will not look into the matter further, a league source told ESPN.com on Tuesday.

So in the age of mic'ed players and refs and mics on the sidelines everywhere, somehow the NFL can't find audio of this.

Curious.

"He told me that he said, 'The difference is you were running,'" Blandino said. "I think when you look at the tape, it does look like Ed did say that ... at one point. You can't see everything that Ed says, but he's adamant he didn't say it, and I think that's where we are right now and we're just going to kind of move on from there."

So in the age of cameras everywhere, an angle can't be found so that we can lip-read *what else* the NFL is admitting Hochuli said.  They can find the angle where if you lip read it looks like Hochuli said "you were running".  But they can't find an angle so that we can "lip read" the rest of Hochulis words.

Curious.

 

 

[MHS831]

 

1.) Cam talks to Referee early on about using the flag on the other team..... This is player- ref "fratinizing"... meaning that players and refs talk to each other before and after the game

2.)  2:40 - Cam gets driven into the ground after the ball is released. He believes a flag should've been thrown and gets in the face of the same referee. He obviously said something he shouldn't have said.

3.) 3:30- Cam goes to the referee and says, "I apologize man. Yes sir. Yes sir. It wont happen again." (Referee said he understand that he was frustrated.)

4.) 3:40- Cam publically apologizes for statements he made to the referee.

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Whats the point of posting this. Well here's what we see historically:

Cam not getting the same calls as other quarterbacks. Cam complaining to the referees. But we also see that if Cam is in the wrong about something, he addressed it during the game, and after the game.

We also see that players/coaches and referees talk throughout the game. They talk before the game and they talk after the game. A lot of people are looking at the game footage to read Ed Hochuli's lips right after the play. This isn't necessarily the footage you need. Cam and Ed may have talked about this play a few times throughout the game.... but whatever he said, it garnered the reaction that Cam gave. Everybody complains to the refs about calls, but what needs not be established is that Cam (like other running QB's) does not get the same calls that other types of QB's get.

Marshal Faulk, Deion Sanders, and Michael Irvin were asked to comment on what they thought. Its unfortunate that they got off topic, but Marshal and Deion made great points:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-gameday/0ap3000000541095/Should-Cam-Newton-have-received-a-personal-foul-call

Rule: Hitting a quarterback after he throws the ball is a penalty (safety concerns)

Rule: When a quarterback is leaving the pocket, he becomes a ball carrier.

Rule: Hitting any player late is a personal flag.

Now there is nothing "biased" about these rules. They seem to be straight forward. But every Panther's fan alive recognizes that Cam gets treated differently on the field and off the field (media). We shouldn't have to provide any evidence for this. What informs our opinion of bias is how the rules are used to benefit one group over another.

The leagues response was "There's no roughing the passer because the quarterback was out of the pocket."

I was listening to ESPN on the radio and I've noticed that a lot of journalists want to cast doubt on what Cam is saying. The reason they do this is because it's consistent with the biased narrative of Cam that the national media wants to promulgate. You don't have to believe in the "Black Quarterback Conspiracy" to see that Cam gets treated unfairly. The argument is made that Tom Brady and Peyton Manning would have gotten that call... but the fact is that Luke McCown would have gotten that call.

Cam Newton has been more than a model citizen during his tenure as our QB. There's no reason to bring into question his motives for saying what he said. He's not looking for special treatment. But if you're a QB, you play the game expecting to get the calls QB's get. Cam should play with the confidence and the expectation that he will be protected by the same rules.

Some are saying that Cam misheard Ed Hochuli. But even if that is the case, it doesn't change the fact that Hochuli chose NOT to throw a flag on a play less athletic quarterbacks get every single time.

 

 

 

 

Correct.  Cam is not the ball carrier if the ball is out of his hand, no more than a runner is a ball carrier after he runs out of bounds or his knee hits the ground.  Of course, we had Fox's C team, so we get a closeup of a Saints fan wearing Mardi Gras beads or something stupid like that instead of the qb getting roughed. 

Off topic:  I am sick of the stupid camera angles of the crowd, someone in row D seat 33, the coach's head shots, etc. up until the snap of the ball.  I like watching the coverages, the alignments, the motion etc.  They think the only thing that counts is the time from the snap of the ball through the whistle.  Idiots.

[Keep Pounding]

Anybody remember hardy hit on Palmer?

palmer ran out of pocket and stopped at near sideline, hardy delivered a hit on Palmer who was a few yards from sideline and Palmer still had the ball and they flagged him for hitting Palmer with crown of helmet , at this time though Palmer was imo a running qb and still had ball , but came was shoved after he threw the ball an still took two steps before being pushed

[Cookie Lyon]

Here's an update to this...

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/13770751/nfl-done-investigating-cam-newton-claim-ed-hochuli-audio-surfaces

So in the age of mic'ed players and refs and mics on the sidelines everywhere, somehow the NFL can't find audio of this.

Curious.

So in the age of cameras everywhere, an angle can't be found so that we can lip-read *what else* the NFL is admitting Hochuli said.  They can find the angle where if you lip read it looks like Hochuli said "you were running".  But they can't find an angle so that we can "lip read" the rest of Hochulis words.

Curious.

 

 

I honestly think they DO have the audio of the conversation and they don't want to release it because it proves what Cam said is true. Hochuli was mic'ed up, so how could there not be audio?

Also, why would Cam make this up? He gains nothing from it.

[fjblair]

Always a Cam Newton conspiracy bouncing around the huddle. It's pathetic. Leave that poo for the Patriots boards and Tommy's boys.