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Norwood and Funch need to be a quick study

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I don't feel bad for Cam, it's partly his fault. He sealed his fate when he signed that big fat contract. He doesn't have to be vocal publicly but there are things his people could do. That's why I honestly felt like he would play this season and see if the talent around him has gotten any better. He chose to stay on a team that treats their offense like the step child of the team. God I hope Funchess can come on strong by the end of the season, because we might need to draft a WR round 1 next year. 

Geez, basically you are saying Cam made a bad decision signing his contract. You are off your rocker. 

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I dont know about 'open arms'.

I still think that Lafell is Lafell and that most people can produce in NE at WR.

I might would trade a 4th for him, but I know we couldnt get him that cheap. I wouldnt givemore than that because once KB gets here and Funch develops we wouldnt need LaFell anymore. I seriously dont think he is any better than Cotchery to be honest.

We need a big and fast guy that is a natural WR1. In order to get that kind of talent, you are going to have to treade a 1st round pick, and I am not willing to do that.

why the hell not?

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Our rookies sure weren't given much of a chance.
Funchess was given 26 snaps.  About half the snaps that Brown was given (54).

CAP saw the field for 4 plays and wasn't given the ball at all.

D-WIll saw one snap

Shaq saw 17 snaps, TD for comparison had 67.

 

D Will was injured on what, I believe, was his first play of the game.  If not his first snap, certainly he only had a very few snaps before the injury.  He was slated to get some reps at RT because the plan was to move Remmers into position at Center to give Kalil a break due to his having been out with injury.

In his press conference this afternoon, Rivera explained that for now, Shaq's playtime will be based on what the offense is showing them.  Because JAX played more Nickel, Bene got most of the reps.

Not seen anything specific to explain why CAP got no carries and why Funchess relatively few snaps. 

 

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This entire post is you sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming "NO NO NO I CANT HEAR YOU IM NOT LISTENING IM NOT LISTENING"

 

you deny it to your heart's content but the proof is in the pudding with the overwhelming success that rookies continue to have year in and year out. 

No longer do players stay on the sidelines for two to three years to start their career. There's too much money at stake for the organization. That's a well documented reality of how the game's involving. 

Of course I'll not listen to you. I'll listen to the coaches, players, and GMs who deal with these players and have dealt with them and what you can clearly see over the last 20 years on the field. 

The proof? The the truth is for every rookie that starts and does well there are numerous others who bust or fail to live up to expectations or take a few years to come into their own. That's the well documented reality.

The money at stake issue has largely been minimized by the rookie wage scale. There's a fugin reason they implemented that and it's not because most of the players coming out had overwhelming success and killed it on their fat rookie contract. 1st round busts with super contracts leading to a pay cap sure supports your argument...

http://sportswire.usatoday.com/2014/05/25/nfl-draft-rookie-wage-scale-roger-goodell-cba-clowney-manziel-mack/

"While those contracts offered the rookies a massive pay day and stability, they often crippled franchises. If first-round picks underwhelmed, it created an enormous financial investment on a below-average player."

This was also obviously implemented so more money could be awarded to veterans who actually earned more money having actually played in NFL games but the NFL didn't want multiple franchises to be set back for years because they drafted a Blain Gabbert or Manziel.

http://mmqb.si.com/2014/05/22/nfl-rookie-contract-negotiations

So with that the only money at stake would be from drafting a QB to be the face of your franchise and trying to sell more tickets. Your post is 2010 poo and players have been starting right away for a long time now with high bust rates or "underachievers" at a lot of positions.
 

 

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This entire post is you sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming "NO NO NO I CANT HEAR YOU IM NOT LISTENING IM NOT LISTENING"

 

you deny it to your heart's content but the proof is in the pudding with the overwhelming success that rookies continue to have year in and year out. 

No longer do players stay on the sidelines for two to three years to start their career. There's too much money at stake for the organization. That's a well documented reality of how the game's involving. 

 

Ill grant that the QB position may be an exception to this now established rule because of the spread limiting how intellectually developed QBs are coming into the league-though if i told you whose going to change to accomodate that, you wouldn't like it (here's a hint: High school athletes are going to continue to develop athletically and colleges are going to capitalize on that and they arent going to worry about how those players fare after they leave their program) but lol at using our WR corp as an example  to your case.

 

This team is in the position it is in there by their own volition. Adding one body a year in spite of the many avenues available at what is numerically the the most needy position on the field is going to open you up to this possibility. 

Rookie year stats (1st and 2nd round WRs) for the 5 years previous to 2014

2013

1st round (8th pick) - Tavon Austin - 40 receptions, 418 yds, 4 TDs

1st (27th) - 52, 802, 2

1st (29th) - Cordarrelle Patterson - 45, 469, 4

2nd (34th) - Justin Hunter - 18, 354, 4

2nd (41st) - Robert Woods - 40, 587, 3

2nd (59th) - Aaron Dobson - 37, 519, 4

2012

1st (5th) - Justin Blackmon - 64, 865, 5

1st (13th) - Michael Floyd - 45, 562, 2

1st (20th) - Kendall Wright - 64, 626, 4

1st (30th) - A.J. Jenkins - produced no stats in his rookie year

2nd (33rd) - Brian Quick - 11, 156, 2

2nd (43rd) - Stephen Hill - 21, 252, 3

2nd (45th) - Alshon Jeffery - 24, 367, 3

2nd (54th) - Ryan Broyles - 22, 310, 2

2nd (63rd) - Reuben Randle - 19, 298, 3

2011

1st (4th) - A.J. Green - 65, 1057, 7

1st (6th) - Julio Jones - 54, 959, 8

1st (26th) - Jonathan Baldwin - 21, 254, 1

2nd (44th) - Titus Young - 48, 607, 6

2nd (58th) - Torrey Smith - 50, 841, 7

2nd (59th) - Greg Little - 61, 709, 2

2nd (64th) - Randall Cobb - 25, 375, 1

2010

1st (22nd) - Demaryius Thomas - 22, 283, 2

1st (24th) - Dez Bryant - 45, 561, 6

2nd (39th) - Arrelious Benn - 25, 395, 2

2nd (60th) - Golden Tate - 21, 227, 0

2009

1st (7th) - Darrius Heyward-Bey - 9, 124, 1

1st (10th) - Michael Crabtree - 48, 625, 2

1st (19th) - Jeremy Maclin - 56, 773, 4

1st (22nd) - Percy Harvin - 60, 790, 6

1st (29th) - Hakeem Nicks - 47, 790, 6

1st (30th) - Kenny Britt - 42, 701, 3

2nd (36th) - Brian Robiskie - 7, 106, 0

2nd (50th) - Mohamed Massaquoi - 34, 624, 3

 

So, of the 5 years previous to 2014, using the first 2 rounds, there was only ONE 1000 yard receiver in the bunch (34 total WRs).

Whereas in 2014, of 12 total WRs selected in the first two rounds, THREE of them were 1000 yard receivers (Evans, Beckham, Benjamin) with one more very, very close (Watkins with 982 yards).

So 2014 was a *HUGE* anomaly when it came to early production from rookie WRs.

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Rookie year stats (1st and 2nd round WRs) for the 5 years previous to 2014

   So, of the 5 years previous to 2014, using the first 2 rounds, there was only ONE 1000 yard receiver in the bunch (34 total  WRs).

Whereas in 2014, of 12 total WRs selected in the first two rounds, THREE of them were 1000 yard receivers (Evans, Beckham, Benjamin) with one more very, very close (Watkins with 982 yards).

So 2014 was a *HUGE* anomaly when it came to early production from rookie WRs.

WOW.  AWESOME POST.  Thanks.   Really helpful in giving us background to have realistic expectations for Funchess.  KB surely spoiled us last year.  I knew last year's WR class was reputed to be special, but I'd never looked at the numbers.

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Rookie year stats (1st and 2nd round WRs) for the 5 years previous to 2014

2013

1st round (8th pick) - Tavon Austin - 40 receptions, 418 yds, 4 TDs

1st (27th) - 52, 802, 2

1st (29th) - Cordarrelle Patterson - 45, 469, 4

2nd (34th) - Justin Hunter - 18, 354, 4

2nd (41st) - Robert Woods - 40, 587, 3

2nd (59th) - Aaron Dobson - 37, 519, 4

2012

1st (5th) - Justin Blackmon - 64, 865, 5

1st (13th) - Michael Floyd - 45, 562, 2

1st (20th) - Kendall Wright - 64, 626, 4

1st (30th) - A.J. Jenkins - produced no stats in his rookie year

2nd (33rd) - Brian Quick - 11, 156, 2

2nd (43rd) - Stephen Hill - 21, 252, 3

2nd (45th) - Alshon Jeffery - 24, 367, 3

2nd (54th) - Ryan Broyles - 22, 310, 2

2nd (63rd) - Reuben Randle - 19, 298, 3

2011

1st (4th) - A.J. Green - 65, 1057, 7

1st (6th) - Julio Jones - 54, 959, 8

1st (26th) - Jonathan Baldwin - 21, 254, 1

2nd (44th) - Titus Young - 48, 607, 6

2nd (58th) - Torrey Smith - 50, 841, 7

2nd (59th) - Greg Little - 61, 709, 2

2nd (64th) - Randall Cobb - 25, 375, 1

2010

1st (22nd) - Demaryius Thomas - 22, 283, 2

1st (24th) - Dez Bryant - 45, 561, 6

2nd (39th) - Arrelious Benn - 25, 395, 2

2nd (60th) - Golden Tate - 21, 227, 0

2009

1st (7th) - Darrius Heyward-Bey - 9, 124, 1

1st (10th) - Michael Crabtree - 48, 625, 2

1st (19th) - Jeremy Maclin - 56, 773, 4

1st (22nd) - Percy Harvin - 60, 790, 6

1st (29th) - Hakeem Nicks - 47, 790, 6

1st (30th) - Kenny Britt - 42, 701, 3

2nd (36th) - Brian Robiskie - 7, 106, 0

2nd (50th) - Mohamed Massaquoi - 34, 624, 3

 

So, of the 5 years previous to 2014, using the first 2 rounds, there was only ONE 1000 yard receiver in the bunch (34 total WRs).

Whereas in 2014, of 12 total WRs selected in the first two rounds, THREE of them were 1000 yard receivers (Evans, Beckham, Benjamin) with one more very, very close (Watkins with 982 yards).

So 2014 was a *HUGE* anomaly when it came to early production from rookie WRs.

i think that you think amassing 1000 yards as the standard by which these players are supposed to reach says a lot about you as a poster. It certainly speaks as to why you perpetuate the 'nobody is out there!!!' argument in the face of options that are ineed better than what we have. It's a demonstrable logic fallacy that appears to be a root cause of a lot of the bad posts you make.

 

oh, and if you think I'm stupid enough to not notice that you willfully neglected to include things like players who dealt with injuries that kept them out of games or players on rosters who were deep at the position.

 

 

so not only did you cherry pick stats, you then tried to downplay what the stats showed you in two seperate capacities-one being by underscoring the value of what those players did, the other by only showing which statistics reinforced your imagined position.

 

 

poor form, mate.

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