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[CPantherKing]

You don't buy into the notion that turning over a third or so of the roster ten days before our first game is a brilliant idea?

Gee...Why?

It is now or week 10. Some of you are too invested in the Panthers to see it. They screwed this team last season by waiting until week 10 to make the moves most knew needed to be made by the end of preseason. That is a fact.

As for the value of players and this "turnover" this team has gone through, how long have Nate Chandler, Chris Scott and Amini Silatolu been on this roster? No turnover there. And how many of them make another roster once cut from this team? Let me see someone argue those three are better than the younger players the Panthers can scoop up right now from cuts.

Get younger, find opportunities, and mine talent! Stop holding onto yesterday's dreams. That is how I see it. Anything is better than what sits at the bottom of the Panthers roster. This team needs to keep tossing bodies in to find the Remmers, Norwell, and Fozzy of tomorrow. Do nothing and get nothing.

It will be 3 seasons from now, and you will still be hanging on to this dead wood at WR, DL, TE and OL. The definition of insanity.

[Mr. Scot]

It is now or week 10. Some of you are too invested in the Panthers to see it. They screwed this team last season by waiting until week 10 to make the moves most knew needed to be made by the end of preseason. That is a fact.

As for the value of players and this "turnover" this team has gone through, how long have Nate Chandler, Chris Scott and Amini Silatolu been on this roster? No turnover there. And how many of them make another roster once cut from this team? Let me see someone argue those three are better than the younger players the Panthers can scoop up right now from cuts.

Get younger, find opportunities, and mine talent! Stop holding onto yesterday's dreams. That is how I see it. Anything is better than what sits at the bottom of the Panthers roster. This team needs to keep tossing bodies in to find the Remmers, Norwell, and Fozzy of tomorrow. Do nothing and get nothing.

It will be 3 seasons from now, and you will still be hanging on to this dead wood at WR, DL, TE and OL. The definition of insanity.

What I'm a little too 'invested' in is reality.

No team in the league is going to do that much roster turnover after already having gone through training camp and preseason. Heck, just straightening out the cap and contract mess that'd cause would take forever.

If you seriously believe a team could teach their entire system and plug that many guys into it in less than ten days, then I can guarantee it's actually you that never played beyond a basic level.

Roster turnover between the end of preseason and opening day tends to be three to five guys at most, and generally just guys on the lower end of the spectrum.

You don't go through an entire offseason of getting ready to play just to change everything at the last minute.

And again, believe it or not,  just because you've heard their name somewhere or saw them in one highlight on Sportscenter doesn't mean they're better players than what we have.

Madden isn't real. What works in the game doesn't have any bearing on real world football.

[KB_fan]

13 hours ago, CPantherKing said:

However, I believe the Panthers brass are too emotionally set on their favorites/project players to make the moves.

 

This meme needs to die. Its about as moronic a thing that I've ever seen on these forums. Are we fuging 12 here? We've had more roster turnover here in the past two years than we've had in the ten prior combined. This idea meme is just flat out stupid. It isn't true and there are zero merits to this idea. I hate some of of stupid fuging fans sometimes.

Thank you @SixMileDrive

I'll update my "Does Ron love vets more than rookies" analysis sometime soon once the dust settles on our new 53 man roster.

http://www.carolinahuddle.com/boards/blogs/entry/38-does-ron-love-vets-more-than-rookies/

 I've got a couple of new angles I want to explore, including how our percentage of rookies (and rookie starting %) compares to other teams.  Certainly our salary cap woes have contributed to our turnover and high rookie percentage in recent years, as have last year's injuries and also Gettleman's skill in finding great rookies. 

So I don't want to overhype Ron's willingness to keep and play rookies.  But the number of rookies who have gotten significant playing time for the Panthers in the last 4 years is striking.  I think it's given us a chance to develop some good players who can become a core part of the team for years to come.

[KB_fan]

As for the value of players and this "turnover" this team has gone through, how long have Nate Chandler, Chris Scott and Amini Silatolu been on this roster? No turnover there. And how many of them make another roster once cut from this team? Let me see someone argue those three are better than the younger players the Panthers can scoop up right now from cuts.

Well, there actually *HAS* been turnover when you consider that Chandler & Silatolu are no longer starting.  They've been replaced. Having them as backups isn't ideal, but I'm not losing sleep over it.  And Scott seemed pretty servicable as a back up center.

[SixMileDrive]

Well, there actually *HAS* been turnover when you consider that Chandler & Silatolu are no longer starting.  They've been replaced. Having them as backups isn't ideal, but I'm not losing sleep over it.  And Scott seemed pretty servicable as a back up center.

When a started becomes a bubble player in a single off-season(Chandler wouldn't have made the roster if Martin didn't retire), then that's some pretty serious turnover. Things normally don't happen that quickly.

[luke nukem]

I would approve of Dave picking up Battle and dumping scott/chandler/silatolu. way more upside, would rather roll the dice with a rookie then have to start one of those three excuses for a linemen. They are just not good.

[SixMileDrive]

 

 

Thank you @SixMileDrive

I'll update my "Does Ron love vets more than rookies" analysis sometime soon once the dust settles on our new 53 man roster.

http://www.carolinahuddle.com/boards/blogs/entry/38-does-ron-love-vets-more-than-rookies/

 I've got a couple of new angles I want to explore, including how our percentage of rookies (and rookie starting %) compares to other teams.  Certainly our salary cap woes have contributed to our turnover and high rookie percentage in recent years, as have last year's injuries and also Gettleman's skill in finding great rookies. 

So I don't want to overhype Ron's willingness to keep and play rookies.  But the number of rookies who have gotten significant playing time for the Panthers in the last 4 years is striking.  I think it's given us a chance to develop some good players who can become a core part of the team for years to come.

I think Ron & GMan's willing to make so many changes is actually working against them in the court of public among some of our newer (and less intelligent) fans. The see the success of players like Boston, Jones, Norwell, and Norman last year and scream "why didn't you make the changes earlier, not realizing that there were probably some really good reasons. Norman had had chances over and over again, but couldn't stay on the field because of his freelancing. Norman missing a signal cost us a game in Buffalo a couple years back. Norwell and Boston were both rookies, and they needed time to develop. Ron flat out said he didn't make the changes early because the rookies weren't ready. Norwell was an UDFA and wasn't the best practice player, so we just lucked out there. Bene was injured for the start of the season, so we didn't have any other options when Godfrey was under-performing. We trained Jones at nickel and cut Godfrey, but that took some time. Things don't happen overnight. We've been so cap-strapped for the past two years that we haven't had any depth at most positions, but things are starting to turn around.

[CPantherKing]

I think Ron & GMan's willing to make so many changes is actually working against them in the court of public among some of our newer (and less intelligent) fans. The see the success of players like Boston, Jones, Norwell, and Norman last year and scream "why didn't you make the changes earlier, not realizing that there were probably some really good reasons. Norman had had chances over and over again, but couldn't stay on the field because of his freelancing. Norman missing a signal cost us a game in Buffalo a couple years back. Norwell and Boston were both rookies, and they needed time to develop. Ron flat out said he didn't make the changes early because the rookies weren't ready. Norwell was an UDFA and wasn't the best practice player, so we just lucked out there. Bene was injured for the start of the season, so we didn't have any other options when Godfrey was under-performing. We trained Jones at nickel and cut Godfrey, but that took some time. Things don't happen overnight. We've been so cap-strapped for the past two years that we haven't had any depth at most positions, but things are starting to turn around.

Silatolu, Chandler, Cason, DeCoud, and White were the ones who the Panthers wanted in those spots. They were forced (not willing) to make the switches due to injuries and poor performance late into the season when the Panthers' back was against the wall at 3-8-1. Luckily the Saints and Falcons escorted the Panthers into the playoffs late into the season with losing streaks.

You don't give a coach/gm credit for the players they were forced to play while targeting others to be the starters. These are players they did not want to play. What happened was dumb luck.

Harper is still there, and we all know he needs to be replaced. They refuse to pull the trigger, and it will take dumb luck to make that happen too. If it happens and Gettleman is forced to sign a young player from another team's practice squad (like Nick Perry S - Ravens) to start, I am sure you will give them credit for being willing to make that change.

[SixMileDrive]

Silatolu, Chandler, Cason, DeCoud, and White were the ones who the Panthers wanted in those spots. They were forced (not willing) to make the switches due to injuries and poor performance late into the season when the Panthers' back was against the wall at 3-8-1. Luckily the Saints and Falcons escorted the Panthers into the playoffs late into the season with losing streaks.

You don't give a coach/gm credit for the players they were forced to play while targeting others to be the starters. These are players they did not want to play. What happened was dumb luck.

Harper is still there, and we all know he needs to be replaced. They refuse to pull the trigger, and it will take dumb luck to make that happen too. If it happens and Gettleman is forced to sign a young player from another team's practice squad (like Nick Perry S - Ravens) to start, I am sure you will give them credit for being willing to make that change.

I think you are literally the least intelligent poster on this forum, and that says a lot when we have PanthersUnited making moronic threads three times a day. How long have you been watching football? A year? Two? Have you graduated HS (I know college certainly isn't in the cards...)?  There is literally no logic contained within your posts. You clearly weren't around for the Fox/Hurney era because it is obvious you have zero frame of reference when it comes to other regimes. 

[CPantherKing]

I think you are literally the least intelligent poster on this forum, and that says a lot when we have PanthersUnited making moronic threads three times a day. How long have you been watching football? A year? Two? Have you graduated HS (I know college certainly isn't in the cards...)?  There is literally no logic contained within your posts. You clearly weren't around for the Fox/Hurney era because it is obvious you have zero frame of reference when it comes to other regimes. 

A personal attack in response to refuting your argument. An argument that was based on the conclusion of a season (4-0 leading to the playoffs) without giving them credit (which discredits your argument) for their original plan for the 2014 season (3-8-1 record).

One correction (there were several) on your "accurate" account: Godfrey played for the Panthers through 7 weeks of the season before he was released. Bene was not injured to start the season. Bene played in the first 5 weeks of the season as the #4 CB. Then he was injured and returned for the Vikings game. So, the Panthers did have other options to replace Godfrey to start the season in Norman and Bene. Rivera wanted Cason, White, and Godfrey to hold down the CB position for the season. That was his plan in 2014.

You say Bene and Norwell were not ready at the start of the season. Do you believe Godfrey and Chandler were ready at the beginning of the season?

The point is the Panthers need to address the changes at the beginning of the season at these disastrous positions where players have proven they are not prepared for the season. Bring in fresh bodies from the cuts to see what they can do. We already know Ginn, Brown, and Cotchery are not capable of executing consistently from a starting receiver position. The other option is struggle to score and have defenses sit on the running game while the Panthers can not break 20 points. When the Panthers have 8 losses the organization will make the changes.