Gettlemagic Teeth pulling : Sticking to Youth Movement.

[CatMan72]

Sorry, when does that 10 years start? 

I understand not trading away all our high draft picks for aging veterans... but there's a sweet spot between that and dumpster diving. 

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

Excellent analysis. Gettleman's blockbuster moves thus far has been blowing up a 12 win team and canning Steve Smith.

 

and that most important contract extension in franchise history thing

but who needs that

[CRA]

Ok lets play that game. CJ was drafted in 2007 and the oldest draft you mentioned.

Ignoring first round picks 44 players were drafted by Hurney. Of those picks 5 are still on the team being CJ, Kalil, Silatolu, Frank Alexander(IR), Josh Norman. Notable others playing on other teams being Captain Munnerlyn, Brandon Lafell, Greg Hardy. 

So out of 6 years of drafts only 8 of 44 non first round picks are still playing in the NFL.

Now let's look at Gettlemens last three drafts. Again ignoring first round picks there is 13 picks he has made. Out of those 10 are still on the roster. Kk Short, AJ Klein, Kony Ealy, Trai Turner, Tre Boston, Bene Benwinkere, Devin Funchess, Daryl Williams, David Mayo, CAP. Of those 5 or 6 are starters and the rest are very close. Those not on the team but still in the NfL are Kenjon Barner(looked great this preseason), and ever injured Tyler Gaffney.

So out of 3 years of drafts 10 of 13 non first round picks are still playing in the NFL. 

I think these number speak for themselves as far as who drafts better and proves Gettlemen is a great GM at draft day.

didn't sign up to play a game....you said name anyone that was still around that wasn't a first rounder that was good from Hurney....

so I named Kalil, Johnson and Norman

and of course Gettlemen has guys still on the roster....Hurney had a lot too in the 1-3 year window after they were drafted.  Not sure what you are even trying to prove going down that road....that would be a long list for Hurney.  Doesn't mean anything. 

[Fox007]

I wouldn't call it a youth movement....

We just simply don't have guys that can play and very few options. 

Also it is kinda a contradiction to claim the focus is on Cam mattering when every season of his career his talent around him has gotten weaker and weaker (even if one injury was why the pattern continues this year).  This is Cam's 5th year.....that is a mindboggling trend 

Exactly...next year will theoretically be the most powerful year for the offense now that we have an OL, KB coming back from injury, another another draft/FA.  Course then it will be his 6th year and Olsen isn't getting any younger same with Kalil.

Funchess is really young so if he pans out we could have him for a very long time...we just need to see what we actually have in him....He could be KB, KB lite, or Dwayne Jarrett(shudder).

[CarolinaSamurai]

didn't sign up to play a game....you said name anyone that was still around that wasn't a first rounder that was good from Hurney....

so I named Kalil, Johnson and Norman

and of course Gettlemen has guys still on the roster....Hurney had a lot too in the 1-3 year window after they were drafted.  Not sure what you are even trying to prove going down that road....that would be a long list for Hurney.  Doesn't mean anything. 

 

No it wouldnt be a long list. By the way I'm talking about starters not just being on the team. I even specifically stated starters in my post. So honestly I don't have any idea what your going on about discounting my post while ignoring my point completely. 

[CRA]

 

No it wouldnt be a long list. By the way I'm talking about starters not just being on the team. I even specifically stated starters in my post. So honestly I don't have any idea what your going on about discounting my post while ignoring my point completely. 

again, you are comparing 2 things that can't be compared to do the fact Gettlemen just drafted them.  They could be gone and out of the league and same time frames they disappeared after Hurnet stated them 

[tiger7_88]

Not saying i disagree with what he's doing, because for now he's done nothing but earn my trust. 

But when do you stop building for the future and try to win now? At some point we're gonna have to go all in.

IMO you only give it 1 year.

That should be plenty of time to build a team from the ground up.

After that, start spending all your money on free agents and blow and go for the gold.

[Mr. Scot]

IMO you only give it 1 year.

That should be plenty of time to build a team from the ground up.

After that, start spending all your money on free agents and blow and go for the gold.

And do this on an annual basis.

This is the formula that the Raiders have used to remain perennial contenders.

[CarolinaSamurai]

again, you are comparing 2 things that can't be compared to do the fact Gettlemen just drafted them.  They could be gone and out of the league and same time frames they disappeared after Hurnet stated them 

That's the rub. How many of those 44 players were starters? Not many. Stating its the same you clearly haven't read some of those 44. It is comparable because most Gettlemens picks are starters and that's a huge different. Going from just drafted to starting is rare for non first rounder. Thus my point. You keep changing your comparisons from non starters to thinking Hurney had starters from his non first round picks. That's just not the case.

[top dawg]

Three drafts don't mean a thing. Surely it will take you at least 10 drafts to field a team that can win 10 games on a consistent basis.

Edit: Oh, is 10 too much? How about 9 games?

[Ace_Aladdin]

Short tenures for coaches and GMs today mean also that you get one throwaway season during your career... and it is only allowed for the first season. Perform over the long haul or die.

We're not a throwaway team this year, we aren't having a "build for the future year", we have a team built to work the best it can this year. We have suffered one major injury this year, and it happened to be in an area of weakness. How devastating will it be? No one really knows. We haven't even seen Funchess on the playing field yet. He might be better than KB or he might be terrible. We don't know. 

Don't go signing off on this year yet. We have no idea how things will play out and that's part of the fun, isn't it? Yes, the Patriots work like a well-oiled winning machine, and I hate them ever the more because of it. We're the Panthers, we rarely win pretty, but we can out tough just about any team there is.

Can't wait for real football.

This is going to be a magical year!

[gtanaka]

IMO you only give it 1 year.

That should be plenty of time to build a team from the ground up.

After that, start spending all your money on free agents and blow and go for the gold.

Thats what I've been saying! 

Everybody knows Rome was built in a day.

[CPantherKing]

That's the rub. How many of those 44 players were starters? Not many. Stating its the same you clearly haven't read some of those 44. It is comparable because most Gettlemens picks are starters and that's a huge different. Going from just drafted to starting is rare for non first rounder. Thus my point. You keep changing your comparisons from non starters to thinking Hurney had starters from his non first round picks. That's just not the case.

So, drafting 5 mediocre players you force into starting roles by default > drafting 2 All pro starters.

The NFL Draft is about filling a teams roster out for 4 to 5 years with a constant 40 players to keep a team sustainable and competitive. You will always have starters from a 53 man roster every Sunday. The quality of the depth drafted will determine the quality of a teams starters over an entire season.

Placing equal value on a mediocre starter like Trai Turner compared to an all pro starter like Ryan Kalil is ridiculous. If Trai goes down his replacement is not a huge drop off. If Kalil goes down the entire OL is in trouble.

Also, Hurney had his hand in drafting 13 pro bowl players for this team - 6 of them were not drafted in the first round. I believe he will add 1 or 2 more to that list before his players have all retired from the game.

Hurney headed up the draft for the Panthers since 1998 (15 drafts). He took the GM title when Seifert left in 2002. Hurney has drafted 118 players (7.9 per draft) over that time. He had 69 (4.6 per draft) who were starters. Gettleman has 16 drafted players (5.3 per draft) over 3 years. Counting the current depth chart for the upcoming season as starters, Gettleman has 7 counting as starters (2.3 per draft).

So, what is greater? 13 pro bowlers or 0 pro bowlers? 4.6 starters per draft, or 2.3 starters per draft?

Now you bring yourself to the question of quality/mediocre starters not in the first round. Gettleman has 2 (0.67 per draft) in Trai Turner and Kawaan Short. Hurney has 32 (2.1 per draft) in Josh Norman, Brad Nortman, Brandon Lafell, Greg Hardy, Captain Munnerlyn, Ryan Kalil, Charles Johnson, Dante Rosario, Richard Marshall, James Anderson, Jeff King, Will Montgomery, Evan Mathis, Geoff Hangartner, Jovan Haye, Keary Colbert, Travelle Wharton, Drew Carter, Michael Gaines, Ricky Manning Jr, DeShaun Foster, Will Witherspoon, Kris Jenkins, Steve Smith, Deon Grant, Jeno James, Lester Towns, Chris Terry, Mike Rucker, Hannibal Navies, Chuck Wiley, and Donald Hayes.

Hurney had 8 in his first 3 drafts. He had more starters, but the others were unproven or below average like Kony Ealy, Tre Boston, and AJ Klein. In his first 3 drafts following his GM title he had 7.

This is an effort to put the uncontrollable love for Gettleman into perspective. I did not like how Hurney handled the team as a GM either with his inconsistent formula to building a team that seemed to change every 4 years. However, if you think the team as a whole is trending up based on current production and Gettleman has built a team with great depth compared to previous seasons under Hurney, then you are dreaming. This team is going to struggle to make the playoffs (again), and barely get in if they can keep their remaining key players standing upright for the entire season. They will be long shots against the Packers and Seahawks - especially with the lack of depth in player rotations and Rivera's conservative/predictable coaching for the first 10 weeks. I see more of the same coming this season. Possible playoffs and the inability to out coach, out match, and out score the Packers or Seahawks.

I call this wasted time on the part of the front office. The goal should be to build a team to beat the Packers and Seahawks and win the Super Bowl. Anything less is unacceptable. The definition of insanity: repeating the same action and expecting a different outcome.

[Marguide]

Anybody that puts Trai and KK in the same category as Jeff King and Michael Gaines cannot expect to be taken seriously.