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[Smithers]

I have been listening for the past half decade about how awesome our RBs will be and mean to us....

we don't have a run grading OL.  They haven't shown anything to be excited about this preseason.   Hopefully that changes or it will be a very long year

We were one of the best running teams the last 6-7 weeks of last season.  Our O-line has not changed other than adding Oher to replace Bell.  

Of course it would be great if Shula could learn to mix in some screens to take advantage of the abilities of our RB's.

[CRA]

Exactly.  We could have 5 pro bowl WR's on this roster and Shula would still find a way to fug up this offense.  We are a defensive team. Fans need to accept that. 

Let's look at the talent Shula has been given at receiver

Kelvin - a raw rookie - had a 1000 yard season ( a rare act in NFL history)

Olsen - putting up the best numbers of his career

89 -  he had the 34 yr old version - his numbers were probably in line (outside of his rage window in Baltimore he was about the same guy there)

Ginn Jr - best season of his career - Ted went on to earn himself a nice deal in SF and then people realized Ted has only looked like a NFL season that one year here

I wouldn't say Shula has had anyone else that had real talent.   Big picture, all that individual talent actually thrived. 

 

 

 

Talent driven league....maybe the issue we don't have enough b/c the talent we do at WR/TE gets used and used pretty well.

[CRA]

We were one of the best running teams the last 6-7 weeks of last season.  Our O-line has not changed other than adding Oher to replace Bell.  

Of course it would be great if Shula could learn to mix in some screens to take advantage of the abilities of our RB's.

yes, we were.

Did we go shotgun and zone read looks more in the 2nd half of the season vs. first?  Did Cam get healthier and start helping open things up by demanding attention?

I don't have confidence we can line up in traditional formations and be consistently effective.  I think we need Cam to be a threat and help open up the run game.

I do wish the check down to the flat was more often part of pass plays and that Cam used it more often when there.   I personally don' ever want to see that fake screen pass to one side throw to the other side screen EVER again.  This is the year it is a pick 6.....way to obvious.

[gtanaka]

With the way Gettleman has been building this roster, it seems like next year would be the year to go all in.  After one more solid draft, we should be in a place to make a super bowl push.  I like what he has done and this roster is greatly improved from when he took over the reins

Completely agree. Our o Line in place, KB back hopefully Funchess has a successful year. Not really losing many key guys. Could see him bringing a few mid level guys to complete our roster and really make a push.

[propagandamachine]

They don't call me Propaganda for nothing... 

 

Me Amos es  Muchos Propaganda Machini.... 

 

Gracias. 

[CPantherKing]

This Panthers team is a team that is getting younger, and is all about locking down it's cornerstones so we can chase a Lombardi at some point.  IMO, we aren't there yet, but we are much closer now than when DG took the reins.  I want a Lombardi in Carolina pretty bad, but I think the best way to get one is become a truly good team top to bottom, to win year after year, to get to the dance season in and season out......kinda like the Steelers, Ravens, Packers, and Pats.

This team is actually getting older to try to stay competitive.

This team has a serious lack of talent in their depth because of Gettleman. He has built a house of cards with his poor use of the NFL draft and this method will lead to a decline in the quality of depth every season. Let's hope none of the key players he was given leave, or this will be a disaster. He has improved 3 positions (OG, DT, and DB) since his arrival  while making 4 positions worse (OT, RB, WR, and DE).

OT, WR and DE have been degraded in the quality of starters and depth.

All the key components that drive this team have been here before Gettleman and continue to age without any promise of a player who is on the roster that can take over once they leave. Cam Newton, Jonathan Stewart, Mike Tolbert, Greg Olsen, Ryan Kalil, Charles Johnson, Luke Kuechly, Thomas Davis, and Josh Norman. Is there a single young player Gettleman has given this team that you would hook the future of the team to for the next decade if any of these players leave? Joe Webb, Fozzy Whitaker, Folkerts, Dickson, Kony Ealy, AJ Klein, Shaq Thompson, or Bene Benwikere? Maybe Shaq, but we need to see him in the season. The team is not comfortable putting Bene in a starting roll and they are replacing him in the big nickel roll with Shaq.

In 3 years, Gettleman has only improved 2 very weak areas of the team - OG and DT (neither to all pro level). Anyone could have improved those positions since they were awful. Meanwhile, he has destroyed the WR, OT, and DE positions. All around depth is worse than 2012. The DB situation is held together by players ready to end their career in Roman Harper and Charles Tillman while his other vet additions have already been canned mid 2014 season - not a good plan for sustained growth in the secondary.

This is the state of the Panthers. A team that needs key players (from a previous GM) to stay healthy due to a significant lack of depth in order to make it into the playoffs with a small chance of competing with the likes of the Seahawks and Packers. Have a couple key cards fall, and there is no next man up good enough to drive this team past mediocre. Not to mention all those key cards in the deck are aging.

In contrast, the Panthers can have any of the quality players Gettleman has added to the team go down and replace them well enough to continue on at the same level of play. As long as the key players from the Hurney era stay healthy, the Panthers have a decent chance of making the playoffs.

[CarolinaSamurai]

This team is actually getting older to try to stay competitive.

This team has a serious lack of talent in their depth because of Gettleman. He has built a house of cards with his poor use of the NFL draft and this method will lead to a decline in the quality of depth every season. Let's hope none of the key players he was given leave, or this will be a disaster. He has improved 3 positions (OG, DT, and DB) since his arrival  while making 4 positions worse (OT, RB, WR, and DE).

OT, WR and DE have been degraded in the quality of starters and depth.

All the key components that drive this team have been here before Gettleman and continue to age without any promise of a player who is on the roster that can take over once they leave. Cam Newton, Jonathan Stewart, Mike Tolbert, Greg Olsen, Ryan Kalil, Charles Johnson, Luke Kuechly, Thomas Davis, and Josh Norman. Is there a single young player Gettleman has given this team that you would hook the future of the team to for the next decade if any of these players leave? Joe Webb, Fozzy Whitaker, Folkerts, Dickson, Kony Ealy, AJ Klein, Shaq Thompson, or Bene Benwikere? Maybe Shaq, but we need to see him in the season. The team is not comfortable putting Bene in a starting roll and they are replacing him in the big nickel roll with Shaq.

In 3 years, Gettleman has only improved 2 very weak areas of the team - OG and DT (neither to all pro level). Anyone could have improved those positions since they were awful. Meanwhile, he has destroyed the WR, OT, and DE positions. All around depth is worse than 2012. The DB situation is held together by players ready to end their career in Roman Harper and Charles Tillman while his other vet additions have already been canned mid 2014 season - not a good plan for sustained growth in the secondary.

This is the state of the Panthers. A team that needs key players (from a previous GM) to stay healthy due to a significant lack of depth in order to make it into the playoffs with a small chance of competing with the likes of the Seahawks and Packers. Have a couple key cards fall, and there is no next man up good enough to drive this team past mediocre. Not to mention all those key cards in the deck are aging.

In contrast, the Panthers can have any of the quality players Gettleman has added to the team go down and replace them well enough to continue on at the same level of play. As long as the key players from the Hurney era stay healthy, the Panthers have a decent chance of making the playoffs.

Wrong on all levels at this point I feel like you have a axe to grind. I just don't see where your thought process is comming from. His drafts have been crazy good except one. To say it hasn't been your clearly misinformed or purposefully ignoring the facts.

[CRA]

Wrong on all levels at this point I feel like you have a axe to grind. I just don't see where your thought process is comming from. His drafts have been crazy good except one. To say it hasn't been your clearly misinformed or purposefully ignoring the facts.

some of his stuff is on point like....

we are getting older at spots to try to stay competitive ....that one is just a fact.  Take our secondary.  Half our back four now consists of a 34 and 32 year old

also, he didn't say Gettlemen didn't draft some talented guys.  I assume he is referring to something like our most recent first round pick.  Pre draft we arguably had the best 4-3 LB corps in the NFL.....with a team full of holes.  We then use that first round pick on....a LB.  That doesn't mean Shaq wasn't talented.  

There is some solid thoughts in there even if you disagree with most of it.

[Match.com]

I trust our GM and the moves he made over the past 2yrs but that Shula!!!!! We could have megaton and   Jerry rice lined up on opposite sides and we still would have the same play calling ability of two dumb sluts who insist on playing madden in my fuging tournament !!!!!  It was my tournament !!!! Sorry, I had to vent

[CarolinaSamurai]

some of his stuff is on point like....

we are getting older at spots to try to stay competitive ....that one is just a fact.  Take our secondary.  Half our back four now consists of a 34 and 32 year old

also, he didn't say Gettlemen didn't draft some talented guys.  I assume he is referring to something like our most recent first round pick.  Pre draft we arguably had the best 4-3 LB corps in the NFL.....with a team full of holes.  We then use that first round pick on....a LB.  That doesn't mean Shaq wasn't talented.  

There is some solid thoughts in there even if you disagree with most of it.

One group is older. Name another? Also the backups are very young with Tre and Bene. Someone did a graph of our roster and we have more young than old FYI. 

That's the same asinine argument people used for us drafting Luke when we had Beason. To complain about Shaq before he's even played a real game and saying the pick is a mistake is a big time over reach.

Hurney hit on only 1st round picks and can anyone name anyone under that point still on the team and doing well? Gettlemens picks almost all have been big additions from 1 to 7. Even UDFA are starting that look great. 

Complaining about the loss of 3 groups when we had a shitty cap situation is also uninformed. Also we had retirements that hurt too. But we somehow did all those things and are staying competitive. That's hard to change so much and still have won the division twice.

Lastly if anyone references how bad we were last year needs to remember that putting in younger better players changed the team completely. Half our starting defense and a good bit of offence that started last year wasn't even playing in our big end of the year win streak. 

[CRA]

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Hurney hit on only 1st round picks and can anyone name anyone under that point still on the team and doing well? Gettlemens picks almost all have been big additions from 1 to 7. Even UDFA are starting that look great. 

 

I'll let him defend his thoughts... 

But since you asked I'll answer that part..

Our best O lineman

Our best D lineman

Our best secondary DB (per the huddle, not me)

 

[fjblair]

People really put Gettleman on a pedestal here.  While it's too early to tell if he'll work out for sure, he's made a good bit of mistakes and still looks green at his job.  He's been great on evaluating draft talent, but terrible at filling holes outside of the draft which is needed to balance out "building via draft".  

1) Last year's "the answer is in the roster" and starting Bell/Chandler, which was a massive failure.  Oher was a huge gamble as well and we'll see if that continues to work out (hopefully though)

2) Last year's secondary situation with going into the season with Decoud and Harper out there.  Also going into the season with Cason as a starting CB.

3) This year's failure to prepare the WR class.  Drafting a guy that was probably going to be there in the 2nd/3rd in the first when we needed a tackle or a WR with speed (tackle not there, but plenty of better options at WR than Funchess who we already have like 3-4 receivers that match that mold).  There was multiple options to upgrade our WR core and I'm not talking about break the banks like Torrey Smith (although at this point overpaying would have been worth it) but we didn't do it.

4) Keeping one of the worst offensive coordinator's on the team in Mike Shula.  I know some of this is Rivera's call but as a GM you need to look out for your team and it's obvious Shula is just not creative at all calling games.   Same with Rivera keeping vets in that need benched, etc.  Instead of watching what is obvious, you have to act.  

I think it all stems from being a mediocre team, sports city, and having a owner that keeps hiring lame duck coaches.   People on this board think we are a powerhouse after winning a division with 7-8-1 record and question power rankings that have us low.   Until we expect better from our GM/coach/owner we're going to keep having success every few years instead of every year.  

Like I said, it's still early and I haven't given up hope on DG, but he's not the best ever and he DOES deserve criticism.   There are too many parties here on one side of the fence or the other when the truth is it's more in the middle. 

No you must toe the party line comrade..

[fjblair]

This team is actually getting older to try to stay competitive.

This team has a serious lack of talent in their depth because of Gettleman. He has built a house of cards with his poor use of the NFL draft and this method will lead to a decline in the quality of depth every season. Let's hope none of the key players he was given leave, or this will be a disaster. He has improved 3 positions (OG, DT, and DB) since his arrival  while making 4 positions worse (OT, RB, WR, and DE).

OT, WR and DE have been degraded in the quality of starters and depth.

All the key components that drive this team have been here before Gettleman and continue to age without any promise of a player who is on the roster that can take over once they leave. Cam Newton, Jonathan Stewart, Mike Tolbert, Greg Olsen, Ryan Kalil, Charles Johnson, Luke Kuechly, Thomas Davis, and Josh Norman. Is there a single young player Gettleman has given this team that you would hook the future of the team to for the next decade if any of these players leave? Joe Webb, Fozzy Whitaker, Folkerts, Dickson, Kony Ealy, AJ Klein, Shaq Thompson, or Bene Benwikere? Maybe Shaq, but we need to see him in the season. The team is not comfortable putting Bene in a starting roll and they are replacing him in the big nickel roll with Shaq.

In 3 years, Gettleman has only improved 2 very weak areas of the team - OG and DT (neither to all pro level). Anyone could have improved those positions since they were awful. Meanwhile, he has destroyed the WR, OT, and DE positions. All around depth is worse than 2012. The DB situation is held together by players ready to end their career in Roman Harper and Charles Tillman while his other vet additions have already been canned mid 2014 season - not a good plan for sustained growth in the secondary.

This is the state of the Panthers. A team that needs key players (from a previous GM) to stay healthy due to a significant lack of depth in order to make it into the playoffs with a small chance of competing with the likes of the Seahawks and Packers. Have a couple key cards fall, and there is no next man up good enough to drive this team past mediocre. Not to mention all those key cards in the deck are aging.

In contrast, the Panthers can have any of the quality players Gettleman has added to the team go down and replace them well enough to continue on at the same level of play. As long as the key players from the Hurney era stay healthy, the Panthers have a decent chance of making the playoffs.

Excellent analysis. Gettleman's blockbuster moves thus far has been blowing up a 12 win team and canning Steve Smith.

 

[CarolinaSamurai]

I'll let him defend his thoughts... 

But since you asked I'll answer that part..

Our best O lineman

Our best D lineman

Our best secondary DB (per the huddle, not me)

 

Ok lets play that game. CJ was drafted in 2007 and the oldest draft you mentioned.

Ignoring first round picks 44 players were drafted by Hurney. Of those picks 5 are still on the team being CJ, Kalil, Silatolu, Frank Alexander(IR), Josh Norman. Notable others playing on other teams being Captain Munnerlyn, Brandon Lafell, Greg Hardy. 

So out of 6 years of drafts only 8 of 44 non first round picks are still playing in the NFL.

Now let's look at Gettlemens last three drafts. Again ignoring first round picks there is 13 picks he has made. Out of those 10 are still on the roster. Kk Short, AJ Klein, Kony Ealy, Trai Turner, Tre Boston, Bene Benwinkere, Devin Funchess, Daryl Williams, David Mayo, CAP. Of those 5 or 6 are starters and the rest are very close. Those not on the team but still in the NfL are Kenjon Barner(looked great this preseason), and ever injured Tyler Gaffney.

So out of 3 years of drafts 10 of 13 non first round picks are still playing in the NFL. 

I think these number speak for themselves as far as who drafts better and proves Gettlemen is a great GM at draft day.