Loss of Hardy vs loss of KB, impact wise how do they compare?

[JawnyBlaze]

We had another legit DE.  We don't have another legit WR.  KB, though it's close.  Hardy was a bigger impact player.

[Plewis]

Lotta words to say...Both will/did nothing on the field, so 0+0=0

The question is more like...

Solve for X

2014 Panthers - Hardy = 7-8-1

2015 Panthers - KB = X

[Cpt slay a ho]

Hardy's play help elevate players around him on d, kb's play didn't imo and really isn't his fault since the other wr's failed to take advantage of that, this year seeing how ginn is playing so far he would have benefited the most from kb playing,along with funchess and boykin imo.

 

Hardy just took over games, Ny gaints and Falcons, his personality was great to, and even with the incident last season had majority of the locker room on his side. it's unfortunate but seeing our young guys step up and with the addition of shaq it's hard to not imagine what this defense would have been like with hardy still here.

[CRA]

Hardy's play help elevate players around him on d, kb's play didn't imo and really isn't his fault since the other wr's failed to take advantage of that, this year seeing how ginn is playing so far he would have benefited the most from kb playing,along with funchess and boykin imo.

 

Hardy just took over games, Ny gaints and Falcons, his personality was great to, and even with the incident last season had majority of the locker room on his side. it's unfortunate but seeing our young guys step up and with the addition of shaq it's hard to not imagine what this defense would have been like with hardy still here.

Hardy disappeared probably more than Peppers....during his "elite" season.

He also played on a DL were people helped him as much as he helped them 

[Cpt slay a ho]

Hardy disappeared probably more than Peppers....during his "elite" season.

He also played on a DL were people helped him as much as he helped them 

please list some games other then the 49ers playoff game that has everyone fooled

 

i don't buy that if that was the case we shouldn't have missed a beat when he didn't play 

[Jangler]

The question is more like...

Solve for X

2014 Panthers - Hardy = 7-8-1

2015 Panthers - KB = X

don't confuse me

[heelinfine]

The question is more like...

Solve for X

2014 Panthers - Hardy = 7-8-1

2015 Panthers - KB = X

X=11-5. Healthy Cam, stud TE, potential strong running game, vastly improved o-line, elite D. Not necessary to have a 1000yd receiver to replicate 2013 season.

[JawnyBlaze]

Not getting a sack =\= disappearing...

[nosuchthingasapanther]

hardy hands down.

the team fed off of hardy's intense personality. more often than not that's 100x more important than a player's statistical performance.

[CRA]

Not getting a sack =\= disappearing...

not being disruptive when you should is disappearing 

[Khyber53]

Hardy was a product of the program rather than the program a product of Hardy. Prior to that breakout year, Hardy had been almost dead weight on the team. Then he has a good season as teams start double-teaming Charles Johnson (and remember he pulled a bunch of sacks in one game against the Falcons) and everyone crowns him as the greatest ever. The entire time, too, Hardy proves himself to be boneheaded and at a severe risk for some kind of off field incident -- which eventually happened, costing the team an entire year of his services.

How would we have done without Hardy in that 12-4 year? Who knows, but probably 10-6 if not still 12-4. 

KB, on the other hand, seems to be a good kid and he turned out a great rookie season for us last year, without being bookended with a great WR2 (unlike the Hardy/Johnson team). He was also a ROOKIE performing right out of the box, unlike Hardy's slow climb to relevance. Then KB falls to a non-contact knee injury in training camp. That's a sad accident, not something brought on by a series of bad decisions and a decided lack of wisdom.

KB is the bigger loss because of the potential and that it was an injury. Hardy's loss came after his prime playing year, with a big dollar contract, all because of his own stupidity. 

And let's face it, great DEs are easier to find nowadays than great WRs. 

[Zaximus]

Hardy.   It will be even more evident as CJ's injuries start to pile up this year (he seems to be breaking down) and we are forced to overpay him to stay on this line after this year.   Hardy was going to be the replacement while another team overpaid CJ.