Panthers, Pack, & the difference in reactions to the injury of a WR1

[top dawg]

 

 

Gaffney's problem was that we should of never drafted him to begin with.

6th round pick that could of been a guard or receiver an upgrade over what we had starting last year. Most which were UDFA

LMAO you think I believe Hurney is a good GM? Hurney has always been trash and I criticize him for the same reason I'm criticizing Gettleman. Mostly drafted defense, never signed big name free agents, never made trades, sound familiar?

You know what Gettleman has going for him? Cam. Cam can make Gettleman look like a genius cause he's that good. You credit Gettleman for signing mediocre players like Ginn when in reality Cam is the one making Ginn relevant

 

And in 2013 it was mainly Hurney players, who did DG bring in? we would have drafted Star either way cause Rivera was dead set in getting a DT. Outside of Michelle basically every starter was on the roster already before DG came. WTF are you even talking about

 

I can only imagine how much you protected Hurney before he was fired

I agree with you somewhat. Many people try and lambast Hurney for his picks, but Hurney brought in some good personnel over the years. In my opinion, his picks were largely responsible for our run in 2013. But, where Gettleman seems to set himself apart from Hurney is the business side. Gettleman seems more in tune with understanding his players' true value as it pertains to balancing the budget, and that can obviously speak to thethe overall and extended success of the franchise. 

I think it's true that Cam can make a GM look like a genius and help players raise their game, but this can be said of any good QB. But, I don't believe you are giving Ginn enough credit. He is the one mainly responsible for rising to the occasion. I feel that he was a good option to bring back out of necessity. He was cheap, knows the system, and has chemistry with Cam. That, and his ability as a returner were sorely missed last season. I think you have to give Gettleman a little credit for bringing him back (though it was pretty much a no- brainer, given the situation and Ginn's desire to return). So, like I said, I give a little credit. Now if Gman had paid a little more attention to the wide receiving corps, then we wouldn't have been in the position where we had to run back to Ginn like he was gold, but that's how Gman chose to deal with our cap woes. He sacrificed Cam's targets. Many people don't want to hear that, which brings me to the last points.

Some people (not saying Scot is one of them) just blindly back a GM’s every move. I guess it's a yes-man thing. Maybe it's the way they roll or something due to their life experience. I don't know. But, I call a spade a spade, and can love you, appreciate you, realize your merits, but also criticize you at the same time. I think that it's fake to think that a GM can do know wrong. They fug up like all of us, and as a fan of the team I feel like it's my right to criticize them when I feel it's warranted. One place---surprise surprise---where I believe that Gman has failed is his attention to the receiving corps. He hasn't given it the attention that is warranted in either the draft or free agency , and the precariousness at the position continues as a result. I think that you and I agree on that.

Edit: Yeah, I think that people are putting way too much stock in a 7-8-1 season. It's nice to have repeated as division champs for the first time in NFC South history---and it's great for morale---but in the grand scheme of things, we were still a 7-8-1 team (and, btw, without Cam and J-Stew, both Hurney guys, we never would have made it).

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yeah goobs hurney never made trades

he certainly wouldn't have done something like, say, trade away first round picks two drafts in a row or something

[Mr. Scot]

Gaffney's problem was that we should of never drafted him to begin with.

6th round pick that could of been a guard or receiver an upgrade over what we had starting last year. Most which were UDFA

LMAO you think I believe Hurney is a good GM? Hurney has always been trash and I criticize him for the same reason I'm criticizing Gettleman. Mostly drafted defense, never signed big name free agents, never made trades, sound familiar?

You know what Gettleman has going for him? Cam. Cam can make Gettleman look like a genius cause he's that good. You credit Gettleman for signing mediocre players like Ginn when in reality Cam is the one making Ginn relevant

And in 2013 it was mainly Hurney players, who did DG bring in? we would have drafted Star either way cause Rivera was dead set in getting a DT. Outside of Michelle basically every starter was on the roster already before DG came. WTF are you even talking about

I can only imagine how much you protected Hurney before he was fired

Yes, i sounds familiar. It's the same complaints dumb people who have no idea what they're talking about have made about Gettleman before.

And for the record kid, I was a loud voice calling for Hurney to be replaced. And it's also pretty clear you know nothing about his history. If you're over the age of 14, I'll be shocked.

Lord, not a single clue...

[GoobyPls]

Yes, i sounds familiar. It's the same complaints dumb people who have no idea what they're talking about have made about Gettleman before.

And for the record kid, I was a loud voice calling for Hurney to be replaced. And it's also pretty clear you know nothing about his history. If you're over the age of 14, I'll be shocked.

Lord, not a single clue...

 I just responded and shot down all your points so you go back to regurgitating the same garbage.

Theirs no point in arguing with a delusional Gettleman crony who worships his every move.

[Mr. Scot]

 I just responded and shot down all your points so you go back to regurgitating the same garbage.

Theirs no point in arguing with a delusional Gettleman crony who worships his every move.

Kid, the only thing you're capable of shooting is yourself in the foot.

Take this for example...

"Mostly drafted defense, never signed big name free agents, never made trades, sound familiar?"

If you'd bothered to look, you might have learned that Marty Hurney was the guy who spent first round picks on runningbacks, offensive tackles and - oh yeah - Cam Newton. This plus high picks on Jimmy Clausen, Brandon LaFell and Amini Silatolu among others.

Never made trades?  Oh sure...Except for guys like Greg Olsen, Chris Harris, Colin Jones, JJ Jansen, Jason Baker, Al Wallace, Rod Gardner, Tank Tyler, and of course trading away future first rounders. Heck, Marty Hurney loved to trade.

And no big name free agents?  Names like Mike Wahle, Ma'ake Kemoeatu, Ken Lucas, Justin Hartwig, Damione Lewis and Keyshawn Johnson probably don't mean anything to someone age 12, but to those of us who've been around a while they were all 'big name' when we got 'em.

To top it all off, you apply the charge of 'mostly drafts defense' to Gettleman when he's actually been pretty even in prior drafts. And then there's this year when three of the five picks we made were on offense. And why were there only five picks?  Oh yeah, trades.

Give it up, kid. You simply do not know what you're talking about, and the attempts to sound like you do are only making it worse.

[GoobyPls]

Kid, the only thing you're capable of shooting is yourself in the foot.

Take this for example...

"Mostly drafted defense, never signed big name free agents, never made trades, sound familiar?"

If you'd bothered to look, you might have learned that Marty Hurney was the guy who spent first round picks on runningbacks, offensive tackles and - oh yeah - Cam Newton. This plus high picks on Jimmy Clausen, Brandon LaFell and Amini Silatolu among others.

Never made trades?  Oh sure...Except for guys like Greg Olsen, Chris Harris, Colin Jones, JJ Jansen, Jason Baker, Al Wallace, Rod Gardner, Tank Tyler, and of course trading away future first rounders. Heck, Marty Hurney loved to trade.

And no big name free agents?  Names like Mike Wahle, Ma'ake Kemoeatu, Ken Lucas, Justin Hartwig, Damione Lewis and Keyshawn Johnson probably don't mean anything to someone age 12, but to those of us who've been around a while they were all 'big name' when we got 'em.

To top it all off, you apply the charge of 'mostly drafts defense' to Gettleman when he's actually been pretty even in prior drafts. And then there's this year when three of the five picks we made were on offense. And why were there only five picks?  Oh yeah, trades.

Give it up, kid. You simply do not know what you're talking about, and the attempts to sound like you do are only making it worse.

LMAO You really don't know nothing, go take a look at all of Hurney's draft, 70% was defensive players and almost all his early picks were on defense.

 

Only a conservative stooge would consider trades for Jansen, Harris, Baker, Jones, Wallace and Gardner even worth noting. The only legit actual trade we have made was for Olsen and since then nothing.

Hatwig, Lewis, Kemoetatu and a old washed up Johnson were big names? you have to be trolling me please tell me your joking. good god

Wahle was the only sort of big name and he was old. Big name Patriots-Revis, Seahawks - Lynch, Harvin, Ravens - Boldin. Those are big names that SB winning team sign or trade for.

 

Wait weren't you just saying how late picks like Barner never make the team but you credit Gettelman for drafting offensive players late. LMAO the hypocrisy 

Gettleman has been drafting defense like a mad men especially with his early picks, when this team has been lacking offensive talent since Cam was drafted. And lets be realistic those early picks are the ones most likely to impact the team so crediting Gettleman for drafting a WR, RB or OT pass the 4th round is beyond reaching. The only reason those guys are starting here is due to the fact that Gettleman never addresses offense to begin with.

 

Keeping sipping that DG kool aid like he's some sort of god when you know damn well , he's been terrible adressing the offense

 

[Mr. Scot]

LMAO You really don't know nothing, go take a look at all of Hurney's draft, 70% was defensive players and almost all his early picks were on defense.

Only a conservative stooge would consider trades for Jansen, Harris, Baker, Jones, Wallace and Gardner even worth noting. The only legit actual trade we have made was for Olsen and since then nothing.

Hatwig, Lewis, Kemoetatu and a old washed up Johnson were big names? you have to be trolling me please tell me your joking. good god

Wahle was the only sort of big name and he was old. Big name Patriots-Revis, Seahawks - Lynch, Harvin, Ravens - Boldin. Those are big names that SB winning team sign or trade for.

Wait weren't you just saying how late picks like Barner never make the team but you credit Gettelman for drafting offensive players late. LMAO the hypocrisy 

Gettleman has been drafting defense like a mad men especially with his early picks, when this team has been lacking offensive talent since Cam was drafted. And lets be realistic those early picks are the ones most likely to impact the team so crediting Gettleman for drafting a WR, RB or OT pass the 4th round is beyond reaching. The only reason those guys are starting here is due to the fact that Gettleman never addresses offense to begin with.

Keeping sipping that DG kool aid like he's some sort of god when you know damn well , he's been terrible adressing the offense

Ah, the "everything that I was factually wrong about doesn't count because reasons" argument.  I suppose if we have a great season this year, you'll try to say that doesn't count either.

And if you wanna go the 'only high picks matter route, fine. Just answer this: What rounds were Kelvin Benjamin, Trai Turner and Devin Funchess drafted in? Of course, since you probably don't know who Trai Turner is, I'll tell you he's our starting right guard.  That's on offense.

(I'll give you a few hours to try and find a reason why they don't count too if you need)

You're good for a laugh. Kid. I'll give you that. But I wouldn't go trying out for the freshman debate team anytime soon.

[top dawg]

There is actually some truth to what both you guys are saying depending on one's perspective. I see a little bit of posturing and basic disrespect on both sides.

 Just like throwing it out of bounds is sometimes the correct play,  so is agreeing to disagree. 

[GoobyPls]

Ah, the "everything that I was factually wrong about doesn't count because reasons" argument.  I suppose if we have a great season this year, you'll try to say that doesn't count either.

And if you wanna go the 'only high picks matter route, fine. Just answer this: What rounds were Kelvin Benjamin, Trai Turner and Devin Funchess drafted in? Of course, since you probably don't know who Trai Turner is, I'll tell you he's our starting right guard.  That's on offense.

(I'll give you a few hours to try and find a reason why they don't count too if you need)

You're good for a laugh. Kid. I'll give you that. But I wouldn't go trying out for the freshman debate team anytime soon.

You bring the most obscure trades to try to validate up points in which you know you had no argument. And like a pointed out earlier Cam can make mediocre receivers like Philly, Boykin and Ginn relevant but of course your gonna credit DG for that.  And by great season do you mean more than 7 wins? cause that what you like 7 wins right?

 

So 1st round WR, 2nd round rookie WR and 3rd round gaurd should be enough? mean while he used two 1st round picks on a DT and LB another 2nd round on DT. Then goes back to back seasons drafting RB and LB knowing damn well we didn't need them and heavily needed receivers. He's making luxury picks on a losing team

let me not even get into the fact he was wiffed on free agent receivers like NO GM in the NFL. We couldn't even bring in Cecil Shorts for 3 mill a year (now the number 2 in Houston)

Its too easy to make Gettleman cronys crumble with stupidity and reach on every point.

[Mr. Scot]

You bring the most obscure trades to try to validate up points in which you know you had no argument. And like a pointed out earlier Cam can make mediocre receivers like Philly, Boykin and Ginn relevant but of course your gonna credit DG for that.  And by great season do you mean more than 7 wins? cause that what you like 7 wins right?

So 1st round WR, 2nd round rookie WR and 3rd round gaurd should be enough? mean while he used two 1st round picks on a DT and LB another 2nd round on DT. Then goes back to back seasons drafting RB and LB knowing damn well we didn't need them and heavily needed receivers. He's making luxury picks on a losing team

let me not even get into the fact he was wiffed on free agent receivers like NO GM in the NFL. We couldn't even bring in Cecil Shorts for 3 mill a year (now the number 2 in Houston)

Its too easy to make Gettleman cronys crumble with stupidity and reach on every point.

Kid, you not knowing who they are doesn't make them obscure given that you don't seem to know much at all.

Likewise, not picking the free agent that you like doesn't count as 'whiffing', especially given that you have no idea what you're talking about.

And yes, I would say given that Gettleman has only had three drafts, that number is pretty significant.

Seriously, are you as bad in middle school as you are at this?

 

[GoobyPls]

Kid, you not knowing who they are doesn't make them obscure given that you don't seem to know much at all.

Likewise, not picking the free agent that you like doesn't count as 'whiffing', especially given that you have no idea what you're talking about.

And yes, I would say given that Gettleman has only had three drafts, that number is pretty significant.

Seriously, are you as bad in middle school as you are at this?

 

Lets ask an NFL fan if he knows who JJ Jansen is, how many 1st round talent have we traded for? all pros? pro bowlers? Oh that's right NONE

 

Did you see Britt last season? another player we whiffed on.

The great Gettelman is good for one thing and that's throwing Cam under the bus.