Out with the "old". In with the new?

[t96]

I guess you missed the part in this thread where I said that Cotchery is the "old" in this thread's equation. If it were up to me, he'd probably be axed. 

As I've told this place many times before, I'm all about upgrading the whole receiving corps. Make no mistake: If Cotchery, Brown, Boykin, or Ginn is our WR2, then we have problems. notwithstanding our problem, we still have to get the best of what we have out on the field.

What does Cotchery have to do with my post?

[top dawg]

What does Cotchery have to do with my post?

Well, that just goes to show you that I don't have a "boy" like you do, you know the one that not only dropped a couple of passes, but muffed a "couple" of kicks. 

Assuming that you are referring to Boykin (because I am too lazy to look), he has proven much better than your boy in all phases of the game throughout their young careers.

[t96]

Assuming that you are referring to Boykin (because I am too lazy to look), he has proven much better than your boy in all phases of the game throughout their young careers.

Tells me all I need to know about your evaluation skills.

[top dawg]

Tells me all I need to know about your evaluation skills.

Not only does your lack of recognization that Boykin is a better catcher, special teams player, and blocker tell me all that I need to know about your evaluation skills, but so does your lack of realization that Boykin has been better during the preseason games.  But, even that aside, when you said that Byrd was "irrelevant" during the Buffalo game, that encapsulated your skills of evaluation about wide receivers in a nutshell. 

[t96]

Not only does your lack of recognization that Boykin is a better catcher, special teams player, and blocker tell me all that I need to know about your evaluation skills, but so does your lack of realization that Boykin has been better during the preseason games.  But, even that aside, when you said that Byrd was "irrelevant" during the Buffalo game, that encapsulated your skills of evaluation about wide receivers in a nutshell. 

And as I've been saying all along we will see who's right come regular season.

[CRA]

Been a panther fan for my whole life . Dont get me wrong I like Stewart but  we need him for the whole season and lets be real you think stewart is really going to be on this team next year? Artis payne is the future and running backs a young mans job in the modern nfl. Why risk stewart getting injured by giving him the bulk of the carries  when he can be a change of pace back to a rookie that has showed some promise so far? Dont be delusional about stewart from what I remember half the huddle wanted him gone before he broke out last year

we have paid 28 a boatload of money.....this is the year hopefully he makes it worth it.  He should be feed the ball 20 times a game.  Stewart has always looked his best with bigger reps and getting into a grove. 

[top dawg]

And as I've been saying all along we will see who's right come regular season.

That's true to an extent...if they both get an equal opportunity during the regular season. The thing is, my analysis is not based on what will happen, but what has happened thus far. And in reference to that, you are wrong as two left shoes.

The main difference between you and I is that you obviously think that Corey Brown can be an effective WR2 (and you may think that he can be a WR1, though you'll never admit it now), and I don't.  I don't believe that our WR1 or WR2 suited up against Miami.  Could it be one of the guys outside of Brown or Boykin? I doubt it, but I don't have enough to draw a conclusion. 

 

[juliosantos]

we have paid 28 a boatload of money.....this is the year hopefully he makes it worth it.  He should be feed the ball 20 times a game.  Stewart has always looked his best with bigger reps and getting into a grove. 

hoping we get the stewart from the end of last season . he pissed me off with his performance vs the dolphins i understand its only preseason but thats no excuse for him taking plays off

[Servant of Cthululelei]

Where the hell did the Cotchery hate come from in this thread again?  Didn't we put that to bed just last week?  Did everyone start hating on him again because he was never targeted this game or something?  Also the notion that he is not sure-handed is utterly ridiculous.  Dude has dropped 1 pass in his Panthers career.  People just remember it because it would have been a game-winning TD.

[Servant of Cthululelei]

hoping we get the stewart from the end of last season . he pissed me off with his performance vs the dolphins i understand its only preseason but thats no excuse for him taking plays off

Lol, what?  What plays did he take off?  He had one bad drop.  No different than the stupid mental mistakes half of our starters were making that game.  IIRC he only got like 2-3 carries apart from that, and the line got no push on any of them.

[t96]

That's true to an extent...if they both get an equal opportunity during the regular season. The thing is, my analysis is not based on what will happen, but what has happened thus far. And in reference to that, you are wrong as two left shoes.

The main difference between you and I is that you obviously think that Corey Brown can be an effective WR2 (and you may think that he can be a WR1, though you'll never admit it now), and I don't.  I don't believe that our WR1 or WR2 suited up against Miami.  Could it be one of the guys outside of Brown or Boykin? I doubt it, but I don't have enough to draw a conclusion. 

 

You need to stop assuming things about what I think. It's a little ridiculous. My analysis is indeed based on what has already happened and that's how I've determined what my predictions are. My Brown analysis is from last season and from the training camp practices I attended this year, as well as the small sample of preseason this year. My Boykin analysis is the exact same except 2013 is added. I won't go into great detail without evidence on hand to back it up (I plan on getting into that with some threads once I get some time and figure out how to post videos on here) so I'll leave it at that. 

 

And I have never ever indicated that I believe Brown "can be an effective WR2" or WR1 (whatever that even means...). I have maintained since last year that he could be among the league's best 3rd WRs on the target depth chart (without including Olsen as that would make him 4th) and that's completely reasonable when you look at every team's #3's. After the Benjamin injury I have said that he could go on to be our most efficient receiver, and will start for us. Never did I say that he would be "an effective WR2." Our WR group is pretty terrible without Benjamin, and it's a legitimate concern. All I've been saying is that Brown will be the best of our wideouts excluding Funchess, who we have no idea how good he'll be until we actually see him in some real game action, and could even possibly be better than Funchess depending on how his development over the course of the year goes. I don't see why everybody thinks I'm being ridiculous with my stance on Brown...

[top dawg]

You need to stop assuming things about what I think. It's a little ridiculous. My analysis is indeed based on what has already happened and that's how I've determined what my predictions are. My Brown analysis is from last season and from the training camp practices I attended this year, as well as the small sample of preseason this year. My Boykin analysis is the exact same except 2013 is added. I won't go into great detail without evidence on hand to back it up (I plan on getting into that with some threads once I get some time and figure out how to post videos on here) so I'll leave it at that. 

 

And I have never ever indicated that I believe Brown "can be an effective WR2" or WR1 (whatever that even means...). I have maintained since last year that he could be among the league's best 3rd WRs on the target depth chart (without including Olsen as that would make him 4th) and that's completely reasonable when you look at every team's #3's. After the Benjamin injury I have said that he could go on to be our most efficient receiver, and will start for us. Never did I say that he would be "an effective WR2." Our WR group is pretty terrible without Benjamin, and it's a legitimate concern. All I've been saying is that Brown will be the best of our wideouts excluding Funchess, who we have no idea how good he'll be until we actually see him in some real game action, and could even possibly be better than Funchess depending on how his development over the course of the year goes. I don't see why everybody thinks I'm being ridiculous with my stance on Brown...

You have mentioned him and WR2 in so many words.  Even saying that "he could possibly be better than Funchess depending on how his development over the course of the year goes" can easily be interpreted as you think more of him than you probably should.

Brown will never be among the league's best WR3s if he doesn't learn how to catch with his hands and go. He is going to show a helluva lot more than he has shown---like light year's more----to smell the top half of that group. 

If you can tell me that Brown has been a more effective special teams player, a better catcher, and a better blocker than Boykin, then I don't know what film you're looking at. I find that analysis not only ridiculous, but ludicrous. Seriously, dude!

The obviously faster and quicker Brown may be the smoother route runner than Boykin, and Brown has been in the system much longer. These things are at premium right now because of the situation. That is Brown's advantage over Boykin.  

Lastly, let it go.  Brown will probably have time to redeem himself and prove his worth in the coming weeks.  If he does, then great. But don't try and sell me on him being more than he has displayed thus far because I am not going to believe it until he shows it. Right now he isn't better than anyone else, and may be worse.