Rivera On RB Cuts

[Cuttinedge]

people are overreacitng. cutting tolbert because he didn't get in the endzone? they stuffed the box because they knew cam wouldn't run because its preseason. regular season i expect that to be a td 9/10 times.

Sure cause this team has had no problem punching it in from the 1 in the past. 

[Cuttinedge]

There's space for Ward and Wegher, but both will have to play out big time over the next two preseason games to make the team. Players like Fozzy and Brockel won't be pried away from the roster without some kind of really good reason. Their experience alone gives them extra points when it comes to making the roster.

And Tolbert is going nowhere. His style of play isn't shown much in the preseason --- too much chance of damaging the goods.

I'm tired of hearing about this so called experience as a reason to keep certain players.  From what I could tell Brockels experience didn't help at all on those blocks he didn't make on the goal line plays. ( and he apparently sprained a  shoulder without hitting anyone )

Tolbert looked like a RB in self preservation mode on those 2 goal line runs.  He hasn't done anything in 2 years.

If this management team keeps someone because they are featured on a ticket. Then the best we will consistently ever be is 8-8. The real good teams make tough decisions minus the emotions it's a what have you done for me lately league. 

Keep the best 53

[Paa Langfart]

I'm tired of hearing about this so called experience as a reason to keep certain players.  From what I could tell Brockels experience didn't help at all on those blocks he didn't make on the goal line plays. ( and he apparently sprained a  shoulder without hitting anyone )

Tolbert looked like a RB in self preservation mode on those 2 goal line runs.  He hasn't done anything in 2 years.

If this management team keeps someone because they are featured on a ticket. Then the best we will consistently ever be is 8-8. The real good teams make tough decisions minus the emotions it's a what have you done for me lately league. 

Keep the best 53

Not only that but you are sending a message if you keep guys around just cause they are vets.

[Khyber53]

I'm tired of hearing about this so called experience as a reason to keep certain players.  From what I could tell Brockels experience didn't help at all on those blocks he didn't make on the goal line plays. ( and he apparently sprained a  shoulder without hitting anyone )

Tolbert looked like a RB in self preservation mode on those 2 goal line runs.  He hasn't done anything in 2 years.

If this management team keeps someone because they are featured on a ticket. Then the best we will consistently ever be is 8-8. The real good teams make tough decisions minus the emotions it's a what have you done for me lately league. 

Keep the best 53

I can't argue too much there, but there are a couple of things to consider. First, the experience these players have is something that isn't shown in the preseason. No matter how it looks, everything we're doing right now is pretty much a vanilla game plan. More complex plays aren't in use yet, and that's where the experience often (not always) shines through. The Panthers, like every team, have an extensive playbook. Playbook knowledge is a big deal and takes sometime for a player to accumulate.

Secondly, for all of the good play we've seen from Wegher and Ward, it has been against the other teams' bottom of the roster guys and folks that won't survive the cuts. Both guys need playing time with the better players just to really judge what potential they really have. Third teamers are often decent to good college level players, so a really good college quality player can outshine them. That really good college level athlete, however, might not be able to hold their own against first or second string pro-level, experienced athletes.

We've got a couple more games ahead in the preseason just for this kind of reason. The third preseason game is generally where you see these kids get tested. We're up against New England, so you couldn't ask for a harder test for them. I'm hoping they both shine out and lock down roster spots. But let's not throw Tolbert (or even Brockel) on the fire quite yet.

[stirs]

Moving Stewart or Tolbert would make sense.  Love for it to be a trade but doubt that could happen

[Billy Love]

I don't think they will cut Tolbert. Likely talking about Fozzy. 

I realize this means very little but Tolbert was featured on one of the seasons game tickets that psl holders get. Hard to imagine them cutting a guy they deemed worthy enough to put on the ticket along with nine other core members. 

they cut steve smith!

[rayzor]

RB/FB corps should be

stewart/CAP/wegher

tolbert/ward

if we need one more RB for depth then either todman or fozzy. i don't care who, but i love those three rookies and think we've got the potential for something special with those three guys. imo, they are the future of the run game. gettleman nailed it with those guys.

[Cuttinedge]

I can't argue too much there, but there are a couple of things to consider. First, the experience these players have is something that isn't shown in the preseason. No matter how it looks, everything we're doing right now is pretty much a vanilla game plan. More complex plays aren't in use yet, and that's where the experience often (not always) shines through. The Panthers, like every team, have an extensive playbook. Playbook knowledge is a big deal and takes sometime for a player to accumulate.

Secondly, for all of the good play we've seen from Wegher and Ward, it has been against the other teams' bottom of the roster guys and folks that won't survive the cuts. Both guys need playing time with the better players just to really judge what potential they really have. Third teamers are often decent to good college level players, so a really good college quality player can outshine them. That really good college level athlete, however, might not be able to hold their own against first or second string pro-level, experienced athletes.

We've got a couple more games ahead in the preseason just for this kind of reason. The third preseason game is generally where you see these kids get tested. We're up against New England, so you couldn't ask for a harder test for them. I'm hoping they both shine out and lock down roster spots. But let's not throw Tolbert (or even Brockel) on the fire quite yet.

I'll  agree with you on some of that. But Brockels time is up. Shouldn't have made the team last year and now there is an actual blocking FB on the roster to replace his sorry ass with. He is a hybrid FB/ TE that can't block or catch? And  not to mention I'm sick of watching him lose his lane assignment on STs. Or actually staying in his lane but missing the tackle.  

So he doesn't even do well what he supposedly specializes in.  Why take up a roster spot with a non performing  specialist?

I believe they've played him more this preseason so he could  show his value. And in turn he's proved he doesn't have any. I'm betting Getts has known this for sometime now.  

 

[rayzor]

I'll  agree with you on some of that. But Brockels time is up. Shouldn't have made the team last year and now there is an actual blocking FB on the roster to replace his sorry ass with. He is a hybrid FB/ TE that can't block or catch? And  not to mention I'm sick of watching him lose his lane assignment on STs. Or actually staying in his lane but missing the tackle. Other than that he's great

 

i agree with this. sure, being able to play multiple positions and take on different roles is great....unless you just aren't that good at any of them and your roster spot is taking one that could be fulled by a specialist at one position.

being able to do one thing really well >>>>>> being meh at a couple things and not particularly good at anything

ie....ward >>>>>>>>>brockel

[KB_fan]

Moving Stewart or Tolbert would make sense.  Love for it to be a trade but doubt that could happen

Getting rid of Stewart?  After we just lost KB?  What on earth are you thinking?!!!

I think Fozzy is very definitely on the bubble.  Brockel could be too, as much as the coaches love him.  I think they may recognize that we need some greater explosive run potential on offense, and Wegher may well bring that.

If I had to predict the roster today I'd think it might be:

Stewart

CAP

Wegher

Todman

 

Tolbert

Ward to PS.

[ShutDwn]

Tolbert had 37 carries last year in 8 games, he averaged 2.1ypc and 10% 1st down rate (he's short yardage back) and 0 TDs.

 

preseason or not, he didn't look quick enough last night if a pile gets in his way. 

I'd rather have Ward and Wegher over Fozzy and Tolbert.

[Moorgan]

That doesn't really make any sense. You're overlooking a guy who near single handedly won us a playoff game because some other guy looked good in the 4th quarter of the preseason.

I'm not overlooking anyone. But the point is just because an UDFA played well last year when we had no one healthy at the position doesn't mean he's guaranteed a spot this year when we have much more competition. How does that not make sense?

[Frizzy350]

Moving Stewart or Tolbert would make sense.  Love for it to be a trade but doubt that could happen

Stew isn't going anywhere.  We've been babysitting his fat contract and injuries for years now.  If he wants to get re-signed and get starter quality money (probably not here though) he is going to have to show up and put together a big season.

[hepcat]

Stew isn't going anywhere.  We've been babysitting his fat contract and injuries for years now.  If he wants to get re-signed and get starter quality money (probably not here though) he is going to have to show up and put together a big season.

If some team is willing to take Stewarts contract away from the Panthers, please let them.