Let's put the Cotchery has little value takes to rest

[TheRed]

Brenton Bersin through 17 games in 2014: 1 touchdown

Jerricho Cotchery through 17 games in 2014: 1 touchdown

Huddle response?

"What's with the love for Bersin? Cut him, he sucks!"

"What's not to like about Cotchery? He's such a great veteran!"

[AceBoogie]

At no point of watching the Panthers last year did I look up and say damn I'm glad we have Cotchery. 

[IMON KRAQUE]

I remember when keyshawn Johnson was supposed to help develop younger guys like Dwayne Jarrett. and that didn't stop us from cutting him. We've got Ricky Proehl for that now. so if thats the only reason we're keeping Cotch around? I say let him go....

[KillerKat]

Proehl brings the veteran leadership. We have younger guys who also play special teams in guys like Byrd and Boykin. I also don't want to cut BB for Cotchery. We don't need to waste a roster spot on a guy that only has about a year left in his career and doesn't play ST. We need to roll with youth and let our WR coach do his job. That is why we have coaches btw right? To you know...coach our players?

 

KB, Funchess, Brown, Ginn, BB, Boykin/Byrd. That's the way it should be.

[t96]

Overall, it's about scoring points, whether he be a possession receiver, or a speed guy. 1 touchdown in 17 games is just bad. There's no way around it.

Actually, when considering Cotchery's season with the Steelers in 2013, it only makes his 2014 season with us look even worse. He clearly regressed. His touchdowns in Pittsburgh were inflated a bit, few people realistically expected him to come in, and put up 10 touchdowns. But we certainly expected more than 1 terrible drop that nearly cost us our season, and only 1 touchdown.

Then was Calvin Johnson's 2012 season 'just bad' or 'mediocre?' He only had 5 touchdowns and he's a 6'5 monster red-zone threat. But he had the most receiving yards of any player in NFL history in a season. Yards contribute to putting points up, even if the player getting the yards doesn't get the touchdowns. Gaining yards puts the team in position to score, whether by FG or TD to another player, so that argument isn't a very good one. Not saying Cotchery is some amazing player or anything just that your argument in this post is flawed. Look at all Cotchery's seasons and you'll see the 10 TDs in 2013 was an absolute outlier. He's not a TD scorer, and never has been, so to expect to him to score a lot of TDs and say that the only way he can be good is by scoring TDs is pretty ridiculous. 

[t96]

Brenton Bersin through 17 games in 2014: 1 touchdown

Jerricho Cotchery through 17 games in 2014: 1 touchdown

Huddle response?

"What's with the love for Bersin? Cut him, he sucks!"

"What's not to like about Cotchery? He's such a great veteran!"

Once again, a flawed argument by using selective stats. Look at the amount of snaps each played. I'm not saying I agree with what you believe to be the Huddle response, or that I even necessarily disagree with you. But, again, the argument is flawed.

[TheRed]

Then was Calvin Johnson's 2012 season 'just bad' or 'mediocre?' He only had 5 touchdowns and he's a 6'5 monster red-zone threat. But he had the most receiving yards of any player in NFL history in a season. Yards contribute to putting points up, even if the player getting the yards doesn't get the touchdowns. Gaining yards puts the team in position to score, whether by FG or TD to another player, so that argument isn't a very good one. Not saying Cotchery is some amazing player or anything just that your argument in this post is flawed. Look at all Cotchery's seasons and you'll see the 10 TDs in 2013 was an absolute outlier. He's not a TD scorer, and never has been, so to expect to him to score a lot of TDs and say that the only way he can be good is by scoring TDs is pretty ridiculous. 

How did we go from Tiquan Underwood, and Jerricho Cotchery, to a WR who will go down as arguably one of the greatest at his position in the NFL?

You're talking about 2 WR's who only managed 400-500 yards, versus a guy who put up nearly 2,000.

If people are claiming me comparing Underwood to Cotchery is "apples to oranges", then what exactly is the comparison you just made?

Come on man.

That literally is one of the worst arguments I've ever seen on this message board.

[London Loves Luke]

It's a wonder so many people on the huddle actually don't know what a good leader brings to a group of new millionaire twenty something's that are asked to go out and act professionally every day for 10 months of the year. 

If any of you have kids, try and convince one of them that something is cool. Trust me it's not easy. Then watch how they react when one of their peer group tells them something is cool, especially if that person is considered a leader in their peer group. That's why coaches value experienced vets and leaders in the locker room.

A coach can tell a group of year 1/2 wide receivers how to act, a leader in the locker room can show them year round. 

[t96]

How did we go from Tiquan Underwood, and Jerricho Cotchery, to a WR who will go down as arguably one of the greatest at his position in the NFL?

You're talking about 2 WR's who only managed 400-500 yards, versus a guy who put up nearly 2,000.

If people are claiming me comparing Underwood to Cotchery is "apples to oranges", then what exactly is the comparison you just made?

Come on man.

That literally is one of the worst arguments I've ever seen on this message board.

See now you didn't read what I wrote. I'm not comparing them. Not at all. I'm using a completely separate example in Johnson to show the flaw in your argument that only TDs matter. 

[csx]

Proehl brings the veteran leadership. We have younger guys who also play special teams in guys like Byrd and Boykin. I also don't want to cut BB for Cotchery. We don't need to waste a roster spot on a guy that only has about a year left in his career and doesn't play ST. We need to roll with youth and let our WR coach do his job. That is why we have coaches btw right? To you know...coach our players?

 

KB, Funchess, Brown, Ginn, BB, Boykin/Byrd. That's the way it should be.

Proehl is his biggest proponent. 

 

Obviously everone is entitled to their opinion but I think that not having Cotchery with these guys would be an enormous mistake.

[KB_fan]

While I don't disagree that Cotchery adds value, you should not be using David Newton to prove any point here...

Sure.  Understood.  The article just came up in my feed at the same time I was reading this thread here earlier today.  And I thought Newton did make one point worth noting.

Last year we used Cotch in a way that doesn't maximize his skills as a slot receiver.  This year when there's enough other good receivers so that he can play the slot makes me think we'll see a much better performance from him.  That was the point I appreciated in Newton's article.

[rodeo]

So make him a fuging coach because he contributes less than nothing on the field.

[t96]

Sure.  Understood.  The article just came up in my feed at the same time I was reading this thread here earlier today.  And I thought Newton did make one point worth noting.

Last year we used Cotch in a way that doesn't maximize his skills as a slot receiver.  This year when there's enough other good receivers so that he can play the slot makes me think we'll see a much better performance from him.  That was the point I appreciated in Newton's article.

I didn't even see your post, I was referring to Top Dawg, who always uses Newton (and also bleacherreport) to back up his arguments. 

[Snake]

David Newton has a pretty good article on this, explaining Cotch's experience and gifts as a slot receiver and where he fits in the picture.

http://espn.go.com/blog/carolina-panthers/post/_/id/15000/jerricho-cotchery-still-has-something-to-offer-panthers

If we were only keeping 5 wideouts I could see the concern with keeping Cotch.  But if we go with 6, or even the amazing hinted at SEVEN wideouts, then I have no problem keeping him.

I'm pretty sure he will be working himself out of a job and his playing time will decrease over the season.  Rivera et al saw the benefits of letting rookies play & develop last year.  I think we'll see more of it. 

So we are going to bench Funchess for Cotchery?  I rather have Brown and Funchess in the slot than Cotchery. And if he warms the bench why not keep a player who is younger that can learn and spot play.